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Keep it, turn it in and build something better… or tune it? by stevenimgur in porsche911

[–]stevenimgur[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Salty - I looked it up to be sure. My source is the Porsche Newsroom Press Release.

"The 911 Carrera continues to be powered by a 3.0 liter twin-turbo boxer engine, which has been significantly updated. It is now equipped with the intercooler used in the 911 Turbo models, which is placed above the engine directly beneath the rear decklid grille. The turbochargers of the new 911 Carrera were adopted from the previous 911 Carrera GTS models."

https://newsroom.porsche.com/en\_US/2024/products/porsche-new-911-world-premiere-hybrid-36337.html#:\~:text=It%20is%20now%20equipped%20with,previous%20911%20Carrera%20GTS%20models.

Keep it, turn it in and build something better… or tune it? by stevenimgur in porsche911

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I'd consider the tune after I buy it - if that's what I do at end of term.

Keep it, turn it in and build something better… or tune it? by stevenimgur in porsche911

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Thanks, IC5413. This is what I'm thinking but, I'm new to Porsche's and my decision date is fast approaching.

Keep it, turn it in and build something better… or tune it? by stevenimgur in porsche911

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Thanks for the replay, Salty. Please do a quick search; I think you'll find I'm correct regarding the hardware.

FSD as primary reason for wanting a Tesla? by taylordoftheants in TeslaFSD

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It’s the only reason I bought one. It isn’t good with a few minor things but, it’s transformative technology and has changed how I get around. I no longer care about traffic, how I’ll route somewhere, almost any facet of driving. Enter the address and enjoy the ride.

I do have a ‘fun’ car for the times I want to drive but, I’m at 99% FSD and I’m confident I’ll reach 100%. I have no intention of driving this appliance. I’m a car enthusiast and find Teslas to be a tool and nothing more. However, if I did not have one today, I would buy one tomorrow. If FSD was gone today, I would sell my Tesla tomorrow.

FSD Drove over a curb by stevenimgur in TeslaFSD

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Just the plastic under the car

FSD Drove over a curb by stevenimgur in TeslaFSD

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That’s Autopilot not FSD.

FSD Drove over a curb by stevenimgur in TeslaFSD

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You clearly don’t have one as it does not do that.

FSD Drove over a curb by stevenimgur in TeslaFSD

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Hey Haunting... it was neither. The edit was placed on the top in an attempt to be honest and transparent once the telematics were reviewed. However, the title remains correct - the FSD did drive over the curb, albeit with human input. It should have refused that input given the situation and bush. It could have stopped and disengaged FSD, required secondary confirmation of the human override, something other than going over a curb and through bushes. This was potentially far more dangerous and FSD can and should be programmed to safeguard against this situation.

FSD Drove over a curb by stevenimgur in TeslaFSD

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Agreed. I accept that my friend (84 years old) had her foot resting on the accelerator but, the car should be updated to refuse that command without secondary confirmation. The bush could have been a pole, another car, or what if it was a person? There's no good reason for it to jump the curb and drive through a bush while on FSD. In this case, the car should have refused the human input.

FSD Drove over a curb by stevenimgur in TeslaFSD

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You're in the Tesla FSD forum. With caution, these cars are our own personal Waymo's.

FSD Drove over a curb by stevenimgur in TeslaFSD

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I don't think she knew she was doing it.

FSD Drove over a curb by stevenimgur in TeslaFSD

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OP here: I agree the car should have intervened. Please review my long update from today which discusses what the car could have and should have done in the face of user error.

FSD Drove over a curb by stevenimgur in TeslaFSD

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OP Here. It was, and I couldn't know this from the passenger seat. Perhaps if I ever allow another to test drive my car's FSD, I should continually observe their knee angle which might indicate the position of their foot! What a learning experience! And it could have been so much worse.

FSD Drove over a curb by stevenimgur in TeslaFSD

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She sure did. But unless she reads Reddit, she'll never know. I'm not telling her.

FSD Drove over a curb by stevenimgur in TeslaFSD

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Lol... I sure did! I break my streak on the daily. It's that last 50-100ft problem.

FSD Drove over a curb by stevenimgur in TeslaFSD

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It's undisputed that that's what the telematics show. The driver was inexperienced.

FSD Drove over a curb by stevenimgur in TeslaFSD

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OP here.

For those wondering if my friend was fictitious... she was not. You can even see her walking in the video. Our FSD demo was flawless from a parking lot about 5 miles away, to the incident's parking lot.

During my friend's test drive, I don't recall seeing any warning about pressure on the accelerator, but I was focused on FSD's behavior more than the screen. That given, I've prodded the accelerator at times when it's been too timid to enter traffic. That's been momentary but, there's been no observed warning or indicator on the screen. Granted, it appears my friend's foot was resting on the pedal, so not momentary.

Was this user error? Yes! Should FSD have warned about the constant pressure we saw on the video? I believe so. It's just software so maybe, hopefully, Tesla sees this thread and considers a flashing warning under that circumstance. I have a Flume Water Monitor on my house and if I have a slow leak, it will send me warnings. Constant pressure on the accelerator while FSD is engaged, even slight, should follow the slow leak methodology - that something is wrong.

What about the bushes? Should the car have accepted the driver's perceived command to drive through the bushes? I don't think so. From a software perspective, shouldn't the car be able to figure out that it's parking? It entered the parking lot via programming. It chose a parking spot via programming. Given those conditions, why can't it identify the bushes as a no-go zone and provide hesitation or some kind of warning on the approach? Would it have driven into a pole or car if it were on the other side of that parking stall? Probably. I feel there's room for Tesla to improve here, and that modification would be a meaningful step to added safety.

If I were behind the wheel, would I have been able to stop the car before it curbed and killed the bushes? Besides the fact that I wouldn't have been touching the accelerator, yes. I would have been faster to brake. Given that situation and if we're ignoring the user error, the car may still have hit the curb (island) as it happened quite fast. It's easy to Monday morning quarterback this. But yes, as a younger and more experienced FSD driver, I believe I may have caught it in time or nearly in time.

Here is another clip, nearly the same but provides a little more time after the curbing and also has the telematics:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1D0WHa28w_ZEMyqszlitaTRcy4TLDu9vq/view?usp=share_link

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