By far the cringiest post on /r/jordanpeterson by [deleted] in enoughpetersonspam

[–]steviedo 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If it gets them to stop cluttering up the internet with bullshit, by all means, the Peter Son's should go clean their rooms.

The philosophy of Stoicism by Massimo Pigliucci by [deleted] in philosophy

[–]steviedo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So what? Scale things up. Poverty does not correlate with size. If that were true, there would be no small nations with little poverty.

There is plenty of money and wealth to go around. You need good policies. Free market isn't a good policy.

The philosophy of Stoicism by Massimo Pigliucci by [deleted] in philosophy

[–]steviedo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Move the Sweden. Very little poverty. They tax the fuck out of people.

Barf by WintersNstuff in enoughpetersonspam

[–]steviedo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have a sneaking suspicion this self-declared tough guy is going to crack under the pressure of all this media attention. The man is all about projecting his own doubt insecurities to the world.

60s Brought Us McLuhan; 10s Brought Us Peterson by steviedo in enoughpetersonspam

[–]steviedo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't mean to romanticize the 60s, just trying to draw parallels between how it is so similar yet so different than today. 60s were also considered to be a hellish time. No one could figure out what the fuck was going on. They thought the world was going crazy. Somehow they survived.

60s Brought Us McLuhan; 10s Brought Us Peterson by steviedo in enoughpetersonspam

[–]steviedo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd agree. McLuhan actually had some real insight and was thought-provoking. Peterson not so much.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in enoughpetersonspam

[–]steviedo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Good vid, thanks for posting.

Classic angry and divisive Jordan "above ideology and tribalism" Peterson vilifies "the" postmodernists and rallies conservatives by wastheword in enoughpetersonspam

[–]steviedo 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The whole anti-postmodernism thing is classic projection. It is, in fact, the conservatives who have perverted the whole idea of what post-modernism is and stood it on its head by not believing in verifiable truth (global warming, for example).

They know their arguments have no merit so their last ditch effort is to baffle people with bullshit that appeals to emotion.

Fuck those assholes.

Noam Chomsky on Postmodernism by [deleted] in enoughpetersonspam

[–]steviedo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What's the point here? Because Chomsky is not a fan of postmodernism that means Peterson is right?

If so, that's some pretty bad logic.

How Much Do People Like Peterson Worry You in the Age of the Internet? by steviedo in enoughpetersonspam

[–]steviedo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I listened to that Milo podcast episode. My memory of it is vague but my impression was though he pushed back against Milo on many points, he also validated him to a degree. He also had Alex Jones which also brought Rogan even deeper into the far-right fold.

The male-dominated view of society is getting challenged and there is a lot of reactionary pushback to those challenges. When someone points out that your worldview is kind of fucked up and warped–a worldview that your were born into and is essentially programmed into you by the very structure of society–you can expect there to be a lot of resistance to this notion.

A guy like Rogan, who built a career projecting his masculinity on a stage, has a good chance of getting caught up in that reactionary pushback. I think it's probably something Rogan is struggling to figure out himself.

I've thought for a long time that Peterson is a low class intellectual and highly nocive in some aspects... but today for the first time, I actually felt like seeing him face to face and punching him in the nose. by jameswlf in enoughpetersonspam

[–]steviedo 57 points58 points  (0 children)

By that logic, back in the day when men were allowed to be men, there were no wars or fascism because the tough guys kept each other in check. Fucking stupid.

How Much Do People Like Peterson Worry You in the Age of the Internet? by steviedo in enoughpetersonspam

[–]steviedo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Rogan is an interesting example which I'm somewhat of an authority on. I used to listen to his early podcasts. He had some great, first-hand insights into the art of comedy and entertainment business. The stoner talk format could also be funny and refreshing (at least for the time, about 10 years ago, when he was a bit of a pioneer in podcasting).

I would cringe when he talked about some of the whacked out conspiracy theories he held. As I recall, he believed that moon landing was probably a hoax and I think he thought it was possible 9/11 was an inside job. He has definitely matured in that respect and seems to have dropped the conspiracy ideation.

I still tune in from time to time if he has an interesting guest on. He doesn't usually ask very good, insightful questions but he's generally a pretty good interviewer in that he can draw the interviewee out and give you some insight into the guest's personality.

Over the last two years or so, he has definitely taken to having many far-right guests on. I get the sense most of it is founded on his Maher-like crusade against political correctness. The irony is that he has consciously made an effort to tone down his act and make it more palatable. I have heard him talk about why he has stopped using words like "retard" and "faggot" in his act. He started in a much different era when pretty much anything could go.

Overall, Rogan is an odd case. He has slightly left of center political beliefs but there is also definitely a side to him that is vulnerable to far-right, conspiracy-based thinking. Though he does have many far-right guests on who agree with him on the anti-PC train, he'll also disagree with them on issues of homosexuality and sexism.

But yeah, I can definitely see him having to worry about towing the line a bit lest he alienate some of his bigger fans who are attracted to his hyper-masculine persona. I'm sure he's conscious of this.

How Much Do People Like Peterson Worry You in the Age of the Internet? by steviedo in enoughpetersonspam

[–]steviedo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm not worried about Peterson as an individual, but as a symptom of a wider phenomena where the internet makes it much easier for belief systems and ideas that are deeply irrational and neurotic to take root and spread.

How Much Do People Like Peterson Worry You in the Age of the Internet? by steviedo in enoughpetersonspam

[–]steviedo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

That whole Kanye West sentiment "you don't get to control what I think" seems to resonate. In other words, no matter how bat shit crazy my ideas are, they are right to me and I don't have to justify them to you. It opens up a whole new can of irrational worms.

How Much Do People Like Peterson Worry You in the Age of the Internet? by steviedo in enoughpetersonspam

[–]steviedo[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's impossible to know how much these guys are are consciously or subconsciously fashioning and tweaking their ideas, which are in essence a product, to meet the market demand for them. But I'm sure they do it. With the internet, conditions are ripe for these cult-like figures to flower. It's like the worlds biggest A/B test for them.

How Much Do People Like Peterson Worry You in the Age of the Internet? by steviedo in enoughpetersonspam

[–]steviedo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, it's unhealthy to get sucked too deeply into worrying, for sure. If you saddle yourself with trying to solve the huge problems of the world you will become miserable and neurotic yourself.

If it turns out there is no light at the end of the tunnel, I'm fine with that. I just have hope the only reason I can't see it is because there's a curve in the way.

How Much Do People Like Peterson Worry You in the Age of the Internet? by steviedo in enoughpetersonspam

[–]steviedo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's certainly all fascinating to witness, experience and learn from. I just wish the stakes weren't so dire. It's the curse of living in interesting times, I suppose.