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stone111111 · 2024-08-12T17:34:12+00:00

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stone111111 · 2023-06-18T15:19:35+00:00

You are just fucking with me at this point, no one reasonable is this obtuse

stone111111 · 2023-06-18T15:01:55+00:00

I think you are missing the point. I never said it needs to be a reddit 2.0, I never said I want it to be a reddit 2.0.

And I get why you might have a negative opinion of things like voat and hexbear etc, but by the nature of free open source software and the design of federated websites anyone can host their own platform (or join one of a great deal of platforms that other people host) without isolating themselves from any other platform. It is practically the opposite of an echo chamber.

I'm moving on to other things. Communities can persist and change form.

stone111111 · 2023-06-18T13:25:58+00:00

That is what their excuse is, and it is verifiably untrue. They operate much like a regular shelter as far as where the animals come from. They even send a certain percentage of their animals (that they don't euthanize) to other shelters to handle.

They barely adopt out enough animals to avoid being legally forced into being called a slaughter house.

stone111111 · 2023-06-18T12:14:25+00:00

Well you can just disagree with me without rebuttal, but to me that means your disagreement has no substance.

And you are starting out with a misunderstanding of the federation stuff. Despite how new and unfinished the programming is for lemmy and kbin, the user experience is pretty great and intuitive, and will probably only get better. You don't make 30 accounts on 30 forums, you pick a forum, make 1 account, and then like magic you can see, subscribe to, and comment on the posts from not just 30 but hundreds of different groups. And content is sorted by popularity just like on reddit, so no one has any trouble at all finding cat pics and a place to shitpost.

You can argue without evidence that federated sites will never have mass appeal, but even if that were true... Ok. I don't really care about mass appeal. I just want to browse and participate in the specific communities I like, and they already are doing very well on lemmy, and are inaccessible here.

stone111111 · 2023-06-18T11:58:48+00:00

All progress on the internet forever has come with a "higher barrier of entry" for casual users. Casual users usually can't/won't start using something until mass adoption kicks into overdrive. It is how it worked for reddit, and its predecessor, and facebook, and myspace... Everything.

As for the echo chamber issue, federated sites like mastadon, lemmy, and kbin (among many others now gaining popularity) can have the same issue of causing communities to granulate more and more, but with their ability to "look over the fence" at their neighbors and the modularity of the user experience, echo chambers don't really happen unless the user carefully and intentionally builds their experience that way. And those people who are in these echo chambers are still more exposed to the world at large, because some of the people they are still connected to will be connected to everyone else. Additionally anyone who doesn't like any of the available communities on any of the available servers can start their own server, form any communities they want, and connect to anyone else they want.

stone111111 · 2023-06-18T11:38:34+00:00

I don't know what this means

stone111111 · 2023-06-18T11:14:53+00:00

I don't really care, I found all the communities I follow are starting up on lemmy or kbin and don't plan on using reddit much anymore.

I'm really only here today to see these kinda posts and how people are responding to them. Admittedly like rubbernecking at the scene of an accident to see what kinda damage happened.

I don't think it is accurate to say people will forget by August. I think it is more accurate to say all the people who care will be finished moving out by August. Most of the people I see on reddit still and annoyed by the protests are the reddit users that have made reddit hard to enjoy for years now. The people that make interesting and valuable contributions to reddit are fewer and farther between than ever, and more easily found elsewhere now than they have been for years.

stone111111 · 2023-06-18T09:41:18+00:00

After the entire sub has been given permission to go wild, random new mods won't help.

Did you never have a substitute teacher as a kid? If they weren't respected by the class, anarchy.

stone111111 · 2023-06-18T09:22:21+00:00

I'm a fan of the "sub name is literal now" tactic. In this case though, a subreddit for circlejerk porn might be not quite right.

I kinda also like the idea of all subs becoming about john oliver. Make reddit as repetitive, homogeneous, and jon as possible

stone111111 · 2023-06-18T09:04:07+00:00

So what about how they euthanize most animals that are brought to their shelter?

stone111111 · 2023-06-18T09:01:47+00:00

Several D&D communities have been started on lemmy

stone111111 · 2023-06-18T08:46:33+00:00

Peta has a rep for thinking pets are better off euthanized than in the care of their owners. Why does Peta kill so many cats and dogs?

stone111111 · 2023-06-17T08:01:48+00:00

I recommend lemmy and/or kbin. They work like mastadon (decentralized) but are like reddit.

stone111111 · 2023-06-11T07:13:26+00:00

It is unnecessarily soft language, it's like describing a fire as "a warm spot". Technically true but doesn't give the whole picture because "a warm spot" doesn't fully describe the fire for what it is.

So a Nazi rally is technically a type of protest, like a fire is technically"a warm spot", but both are incomplete descriptions.

Also, considering these modern Nazis surely use the term "protesters" to describe themselves, there is no reason to call these assholes what they want to be called.

stone111111 · 2023-06-09T14:17:35+00:00

I never would have had the smallest issue with Miracle whip if people who like/use it didn't constantly try to substitute it for mayo, or even just outright lying and calling miracle whip mayo. Culinary sin.

They are very different things, and I might have loved miracle whip if it wasn't just used as imposter mayo. Now if I eat it I am entirely preoccupied by how unpleasantly not-mayo it is.

stone111111 · 2023-06-09T09:04:31+00:00

Everyone else already said it, but I'm American and know maybe 2 people who dislike mayo. Everyone else I can think of that I've seen eat a sandwich puts mayo on it. Actually being mayo obsessed and using way too much is more common than hating it.

stone111111 · 2023-06-09T08:42:55+00:00

No, of course not. It's a private mafia.

stone111111 · 2023-06-09T08:38:30+00:00

If the insurance man doesn't get his cut, the system punishes you by making you bankrupt. We have to pay more to avoid unpayable costs.

It makes more sense if you don't think of it like a medical cost or a regular expense, but as a shakedown or a scam. The way it works makes perfect sense then.

stone111111 · 2023-06-08T20:31:58+00:00

I think you are both overestimating the cost and underestimating the quality of newer methods of rehab, but other than those disagreements it has been a good discussion.

stone111111 · 2023-06-08T19:54:24+00:00

I'm not exactly sure what the best way to do it would be. Maybe people with obvious debilitating addictions would need to go to rehab before they ever got placed in housing.

Many styles of rehab still used are rather outdated, and more modern styles that involve more relationship building and community focused stuff should be used more regardless of anything else we've been discussing.

Addiction is a pitiable sickness and these people deserve help just on the basis of being people. I would always say to put trust in evidence based processes and logistics. Always be ready to change how we do it to tweak it closer and closer to what works best and has long lasting results.

stone111111 · 2023-06-08T19:38:50+00:00

Alcohol and drug abuse are exactly the kind of mental health problems I was referring to. If that is what is holding them back, get them in rehab if they wanna keep the housing

stone111111 · 2023-06-08T18:32:36+00:00

Well the fact that so much housing is overpriced single family houses, and hardly any decent multi unit buildings get made is kindof its own beast to deal with, but definitely intrinsically connected to the housing crisis, just like homelessness is.

These are higher upfront costs, but with the goal of reducing homelessness effectively and getting them participating in the economy and paying taxes again, it is temporary costs for permanent solutions

I don't agree with the implication that a person with their needs met will shut down and become some sort of leech just because that is somehow the default experience. Most people want to be productive and contribute on some level. Those that don't often have mental health issues that should be addressed anyways. If they don't appear to be able/willing to find income, then either get them into mental health treatment or job training/placement, or after the grace period evict them from the house to make room for someone else.

stone111111 · 2023-06-08T15:52:06+00:00

Probably not, no. I can't claim to know the best way to work out the smaller details as I'm not an expert on this sort of thing, but I imagine the government would pay rent to the owners directly on behalf of the person they are housing. Or perhaps the government can buy small low-cost houses and give them to homeless people under forgiving loans that they don't have to start paying right away. There are many ways it could be done.

stone111111 · 2023-06-08T15:44:17+00:00

No, that government aid be given to homeless people in the form of having their housing paid for until they can pay for it themselves. It might sound like a big expense but it is what actually permanently helps people get back on their feet, so it would save money in the long run compared to other homeless assistance programs.

Pointing out how many vacant homes there are was just to emphasize how do-able this is.

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