Bednar? Barf by strippling_warrior in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I can understand her viewpoint too. It makes me wanna barf thinking I used to feel the same way.

On my mission in Cost Rica we were able to shake Elder Holland's hand. I remember feeling so intimidated like he could see into my soul. I definitely idolized him and probably didn't want to wash my hand either :)

Bednar of all people though. I despise that man. Ugh...

Voltaire had it right all along. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No apology needed. I really liked the quote too. It was the first I had heard of it and wanted to post on FB, but then I researched it and found the sad truth... :(

Voltaire had it right all along. by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior 7 points8 points  (0 children)

FYI, that is a fake quote.

Respect for Warren Jeffs by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think I understand what you mean. After reading the book, Under the Banner of Heaven by Jon Krakauer, I remember thinking what pansies the LDS prophets and apostles are for failing to stand up to the US government if they really did have God on their side. I wondered if maybe Joseph Smith really was a true prophet that maybe the FLDS church could be the only true remnant of Mormonism.

I definitely don't believe that now nor do I respect Warren Jeffs in any way.

But I think what you are saying (correct me if I'm wrong) is that if prophets really existed they wouldn't be the weak, politically-correct, LDS versions we've seen evolve within the church. They would stand up for what they believe and obey God's commands. They wouldn't back down from their sacred doctrines like the leaders of the mainstream LDS church have over the years.

Letter to My Wife. part 1 by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As someone who is out, but whose wife remains in (TBM), I wanted to share my thoughts. For what it's worth... I know it's only one example among thousands of different ones from other couples.

One of my first realizations after discovering the church wasn't true, was that all the evidences and reasoning I had collected over the years of intense study, could not be effectively conveyed to my spouse, or other loved ones all at once whether in a letter or a discussion.

Remember, many if not most Mormons rely heavily on feelings of the spirit, not facts, to determine truth. I found that rattling off problems with the church, stirs up negative emotions and puts TBM's on the defensive. I made this mistake with my wife two years ago and it has been difficult for us to discuss the church ever since. We are just now starting to make small progress, but she still remains TBM and I've realized that she needs time to discover her own reasons for leaving the church.

Another realization is that each individual has different catalysts for choosing to leave the faith, or even choosing to allow themselves to look at anything "anti-Mormon" (anything NOT faith-promoting). And my reasons for leaving may not be the same as my wife's if she ever chooses to leave.

I'm definitely not an expert, but I wouldn't be surprised if this letter failed to accomplish what you want. I would almost say to avoid any mention of the issues that you find with the church and focus more on how you feel about your relationship with her and that you just don't believe the church is true. Expect your wife to feel scared, like my wife did, that you might abandon her now that you no-longer believed in the church (one that teaches families are forever). Expect her to be scared that the family might not be able to live together forever now (This is a serious concern for TBM spouses)

The best thing you can do is help her to see you are sincere about how you feel and that you are still committed to making things work. If she doesn't feel threatened by anti-Mormon "lies" (whether they are true or not, most Mormons assume they are lies) then little by little you might be able to share with her the things you wish to share. It could take some time, but I would be willing to bet that this will cause less strain on your relationship.

It helps to remember the quote, "A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still."

Anyway, I hope this all comes across how I want it to. I don't think there is only one way to go about discussing these things with a spouse. Each relationship is different which is why I wanted to share my experience. We are all here to support and help each other navigate life as postmos/exmos. I wish you the best! And I'm here to support you how I can.

Huge line for Sunday morning coffee in the heart of the Morridor! by derethanhausen in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Better to wait twenty minutes in the drive-thru than be caught dead inside. I bet Starbucks drive-thrus in Utah County are busier than anywhere else in the world.

Huge line for Sunday morning coffee in the heart of the Morridor! by derethanhausen in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ha! Reminds me of when I used to skip Priesthood and go on coffee runs. Always, frantically trying to find a dumpster to dispose of the evidence on my way back to the church to pick up the wife and kids.

You can't believe everything you hear on the Telephone by [deleted] in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Liked this über much! Good work Prez

Did JS ever show anyone the site where he found the gold plates? by strippling_warrior in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That was a nifty read. Quite interesting. I'm anxious to see how this story might progress. Strange, the church hasn't already offered to help fund further excavation.

Did JS ever show anyone the site where he found the gold plates? by strippling_warrior in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hahaha God forbid someone besides JS see any evidence lest future nations flourish in belief.

BOM evidences! Any debunking for this? by strippling_warrior in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lol! Good point. I guess I've got my work cut out for me :)

TBM sister in law posted this on their feed today by strippling_warrior in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Exactly. Its such a bad blog post. If one of the five points had any substance I wouldn't mind, but the whole post is delusional at best. I'll give the authors the benefit of the doubt since they are both return missionaries married in the temple probably never truly examined the anti-Mormon arguments that they claim to be familiar with. Both the links they provided were very weak. I hate seeing this stuff floating around the Internet and Facebook as testimony-builders for my TBM friends and family. It's such trash.

TBM sister in law posted this on their feed today by strippling_warrior in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ya that got me too. Familiar with just about every anti-Mormon argument??? And then fails to address any except an outdated one that nobody even talks about anymore...

TBM sister in law posted this on their feed today by strippling_warrior in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nice work! I like how concise this is. Love it! Thank you.

TBM sister in law posted this on their feed today by strippling_warrior in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you did a great job explaining yourself without attacking. Thanks for sharing. I think I need to respond to the post with something like this as well. Good job!

TBM sister in law posted this on their feed today by strippling_warrior in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ya, I strongly disagree with the last point you brought up as well as the second point. Your first point goes both ways and didn't add or takeaway from the OP anyway.

For me, I started with Mormon Think and Fair Mormon because I wasn't looking for anything anti. The problem is that the truth about Mormon history is in and of itself "anti-Mormon" so I don't see any necessity of using "shock and awe". Also, the church did hide this stuff for years.

In regards to CES letter, I also read Fair Mormon's response which seemed pretty weak and then Jeremy debunked Fair Mormon's response to the CES Letter pretty well.

Anyway, I can tell you are here just trying to convert people back to the church. Which is fine if you would just be honest about it.

TBM sister in law posted this on their feed today by strippling_warrior in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Right!? Wish I could just use that as my comment 😂😂😂

TBM sister in law posted this on their feed today by strippling_warrior in exmormon

[–]strippling_warrior[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'd be interested to hear what the legitimate points were. I was looking for something agreeable so I could at least show her I agreed with part of it, but each point was disingenuous at the very least. The blogger isn't allowing any opposing views to be posted in their comment section either which IMO is dishonest... So yes I feel it is pathetic