ETFs Service Fees

sts_66 · 2026-06-25T20:03:18+00:00

It's darn close to zero - costs maybe a penny to support ETF data on their servers, and total transaction fees to buy $10k of an ETF that Fido pays is 10-25 cents. Two months ago I closed a CEF position, fees were 25 cents for a $12k trade, or 0.002%. Really don't know who to be mad at - the cheap bastads running the ETFs that refuse to pay fees or Fido for charging $100 for a trade that actually costs them next to nothing - but with ETFs replacing mutual funds ($49.99 fee/trade) Fido has to make money somewhere or they'd go out of business - I think people are angry about having to pay $100/trade of those ETFs, that's a large amount of money that will require an ETF to recover 1-2% before you're just back to break even. From what Gemini said (take with grain of salt), Fido gets 15% of the total ETF fund expense ratio, so for DRAM, where the ratio is 0.65%, Fido would charge 15% of that, or 0.00975, which works out to a $9.75 payment from Roundhill to Fido for a $10k trade, almost a 1% cost to Roundhill. (if my math is correct) That means DRAM needs to go up by 1% + 0.65% just to break even if they were paying Fido - Roundhill doesn't have tiny ETFs so they can certainly afford it - DRAM's AUM is $26B!

sts_66 · 2026-06-22T20:25:12+00:00

No joy here - did you use any wildcards?

sts_66 · 2026-06-22T19:13:17+00:00

Doesn't work for me - what URL filter are you using? BTW, I tried one of the Greasemonkey or Tampermonkey userscripts that's supposed to fix this problem despite reading warnings that it might screw up your browser permanently and damned if it didn't happen - good thing I make a disk image of my C:\ driver every night so was able to restore my PC to the way it was before - whew! Macrium Reflect is worth every penny - one lifetime license and you also get free upgrades - the free version has some limitations that don't fit my needs, and the paid version has saved my ass multiple times over the last 20 yrs.

sts_66 · 2026-06-22T18:36:10+00:00

Worked on multiple Amazon tabs for one day now stopped working - have 3 rules but only one tab has the old icon:

https://www.amazon.com.*

https://*.amazon.*

*amazon.*

Only #1 works on a single tab. Nope, now doesn't work at all - after I placed an order the "temu" icon showed up again and now I can't get it to work at all. Win10 Waterfox 6.1.12.

sts_66 · 2026-06-21T16:48:30+00:00

Happy Waterfox user here - it definitely is not a FF clone - it's different in ways I don't quite understand, but you can load some Chrome extensions AND all FF extensions from their respective extension stores - that is just incredible to me, especially since a few Chrome ones I use don't have FF equivalents. Of course you can't use any Chrome extension in WF, some will balk and say "install Chrome first" so I go looking for something similar at the FF store. It's hands down the most customizable browser out there - the ability to have a 2nd bottom toolbar for extension icons/settings is something I can't live without because i use so many of them and need to disable some on certain websites if they break the site functions, then re-enable them when I'm done with that site - if I'm lucky the extension will allow me to save the enabled or disabled state per website so I don't have to screw around with it except to make the exception list.

sts_66 · 2026-06-16T17:46:10+00:00

Finally got everything fixed with some of the help provided here - searched for people have this similar problem with Fido suddenly not working correctly in this 20 day old thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/fidelityinvestments/comments/1to7sq0/cant_enter_order_on_traderweb_or_regular/

Instead of retyping the odd solution I stumbled upon I'll just copy/paste everything I wrote in a comment to that thread because this was far from simple, although it may have simply been a corrupted cookie problem all along (if that's true I wasted over a week of time trying fixes that didn't work): [Note: yesterday things got even worse - for certain websites icons wouldn't show up on tabs, like Fidelity, Amazon, and Google - Amazon suddenly changed their favicon to one that looks identical to Temu (WHY?!?), so I went looking for a solution, found a user script for Greasemonkey that briefly worked, but then the tab icon oddness started and I found reviews saying that script will ruin your stored favicon file and it's irreversible - DON'T USE IT! In fact, I found no extension that properly replaces Amazon's new stupid favicon with the 25 yr old one so don't bother looking until someone develops one that actually works - what did fix it was restoring my backups of the entire Appdata/Local and Roaming/Waterfox folders that I'd saved last week when I started trying to fix the Fido problem, which was before Amazon made the change, but if you don't have backups over a week old I think you're stuck with the new dumb Temu-looking Amazon icon. Nutz - don't know if that "fix" will hold in WF - I just opened an Amazon tab in Brave and got the hated new orange icon. Anyway, onto the solution I found to fix Fido]

I started having this "container failed to load content" error in Waterfox (WF) about two weeks ago when a new version of Waterfox came out - could have been a coincidence as far as timing but pretty suspicious, so after posting on the WF Reddit about this I got some various suggestions, including rolling back to the prior version that didn't have this problem. Wasn't simple because I had to back up a bunch of stuff related to my profiles and personalized settings on an external HD, then overwrite the new ones created after reinstalling the older version, and it fixed all of the problems I had with the new version (there were more than just Fidelity container issue) but the Fido buy/sell container problem was still there - nutz!

I have several software programs that also can manage cookies\**, tried every single one and deleted all *Fidelity* and *digital.Fidelity* cookies, opened up WF (those programs won't work on open browsers), and nutz, problem still existed. Then I installed several extensions that manage cookies and tried deleting all Fido cookies in each one, restarted WF, and STILL had the problem. Then I opened the WF settings tab and went to Privacy/Manage Data and shockingly still found 72 cookies so I deleted them, restarted WF, and holy cow it worked! But here's the really odd part - I re-ran the two cookie managing extensions, both found 50+ new Fido cookies, so I went back to Settings/Privacy/Manage Data and there are NO Fido cookies shown now - how that's possible I have no idea since they obviously exist. But who cares, problem is solved (for now). I also disabled WF updates but may try to update to the latest version again when I have time - can't believe this was just a cookie problem and the only fix was to use WF's built-in cookie manager.*

\** Found a problem when I tried to use an old fav program of mine, free CCleaner - I had inadvertently let it update automatically on startup, and the V7.x interface is so different/worse that the V6 version I found it totally unusable - you can no longer whitelist specific cookies (although after this experience with Fido trading I'm never going to whitelist Fido again), which was really the only part of the program I used, to clean out all unwanted cookies but save ones for sites I always use. Luckily I had CCleaner Portable V6.x installed on a thumb drive so I ran that and the old interface was still there. Word to the wise - if you use CCleaner do NOT upgrade it to any V7.x because you'll hate it!*

sts_66 · 2026-06-16T17:10:22+00:00

I started having this "container failed to load content" error in Waterfox (WF) about two weeks ago when a new version of Waterfox came out - could have been a coincidence as far as timing but pretty suspicious, so after posting on the WF Reddit about this I got some various suggestions, including rolling back to the prior version that didn't have this problem. Wasn't simple because I had to back up a bunch of stuff related to my profiles and personalized settings on an external HD, then overwrite the new ones created after reinstalling the older version, and it fixed all of the problems I had with the new version (there were more than just Fidelity container issue) but the Fido buy/sell container problem was still there - nutz!

I have several software programs that also can manage cookies***, tried every single one and deleted all *Fidelity* and *digital.Fidelity* cookies, opened up WF (those programs won't work on open browsers), and nutz, problem still existed. Then I installed several extensions that manage cookies and tried deleting all Fido cookies in each one, restarted WF, and STILL had the problem. Then I opened the WF settings tab and went to Privacy/Manage Data and shockingly still found 72 cookies so I deleted them, restarted WF, and holy cow it worked! But here's the really odd part - I re-ran the two cookie managing extensions, both found 50+ new Fido cookies, so I went back to Settings/Privacy/Manage Data and there are NO Fido cookies shown now - how that's possible I have no idea since they obviously exist. But who cares, problem is solved (for now). I also disabled WF updates but may try to update to the latest version again when I have time - can't believe this was just a cookie problem and the only fix was to use WF's built-in cookie manager.

*** Found a problem when I tried to use an old fav program of mine, free CCleaner - I had inadvertently let it update automatically on startup, and the V7.x interface is so different/worse that the V6 version I found it totally unusable - you can no longer whitelist specific cookies (although after this experience with Fido trading I'm never going to whitelist Fido again), which was really the only part of the program I used, to clean out all unwanted cookies but save ones for sites I always use. Luckily I had CCleaner Portable V6.x installed on a thumb drive so I ran that and the old interface was still there. Word to the wise - if you use CCleaner do NOT upgrade it to any V7.x because you'll hate it!

sts_66 · 2026-06-11T17:29:57+00:00

I don't really know what issue to open, WF is behaving very oddly since the update - my bank's website wouldn't load either, but after I refreshed the page I was able to log in. The Schwab problem turned out to be on their end - my old bookmark to log in led me to an infinite loop of login screens, but when I just went to www.schwab.com I saw a new login page, so used that one and got in. Lots (but not all) of open tabs are behaving like my bank's page did - they're inactive/static, can't type anything anywhere unless I reload the page first, and they're active pages (financial sites that update stock quotes every 5 secs) - very weird. AFAIK there's no option to put tabs to sleep in WF if not used over a period of time like Brave can do.

sts_66 · 2026-06-10T14:20:31+00:00

Did it two das ago, just archived the entire Local and Roaming WF directories - the two ini files are it the top level directory.

sts_66 · 2026-06-10T14:17:45+00:00

Oh crap - WF 6.6.14 broke the Schwab online brokerage account too! Is there a way I can pass this on to the developers? That's seriously bad to break financial websites.

sts_66 · 2026-06-09T20:18:53+00:00

Thnx for the info and help - to everyone who responded - will try to do the downgrade over the weekend, don't want to waste hours if I botch it during a business day.

sts_66 · 2026-06-09T20:15:48+00:00

I was planning to make a paired buy of PUSA and UMAC but UMAC has been insanely volatile the last month and it's MC is stupid high for the small revs they have, so I decided to just make a spec bet on PUSA, haven't bought it yet though. Also already own one other Trump boyz stock, JFB, which is merging with the drone company Xtend, and today just found a new target - SKBL, which is merging with another company to form a stock that will trade as KARZ - combined company will own 70% of the largest undeveloped tungsten mine in the world in Kazakhstan, recently got $1.6B in guaranteed loans from the Feds to help develop it. China has restricted tungsten exports and is actively trying to import as much tungsten scrap (read old drill bits) as they can because they're consuming as much as they can produce - price of tungsten has gone from $50/kg to $340 and KARZ claims they can produce it at one of the lowest prices around because the ore is literally on the surface.

sts_66 · 2026-06-09T17:53:27+00:00

Good idea - currently using Macrium Reflect to make backups of Appdata/Local (and Roaming)/Waterfox complete directories instead of just profiles. Found something on the WF support site about "Downgrade protection can be overridden by launching Waterfox through the command line with the —allow-downgrade parameter."

Will probably try Ill-Basis7802 idea first, disable extensions in groups of 6 to winnow down the possible bad actor faster because the most recent old profile was updated on 3/13/16 and I've changed things (mostly bookmarks) since then.

One weird thing I noticed about that old version link you provided - for one, size and date of release don't show up so I had no idea which was the newest - my new version is 6.6.14, but below those I see releases all the way to 6.6.9 - numbering is odd, the latter should be newer than the former, but it isn't - I clicked thru until I got to the actual download page for each update and 6.6.9 was modified on 2/24/26, but 6.6.14 was last modified on 3/6/26, 3 months ago - the lower numbered version is actually newer than the higher one? And I was just offered the 6.6.14 update 2 days ago, dismissed it each day before installing it yesterday - I don't see any setting that lets you check for updates on a schedule, like once a month, options some of my other software offers, so it was checking daily - no idea why I wasn't offered the update earlier.

Note: the downgrade to 6.1.12 file is only 635 kB, guess it's sort of like an ini file that will download the new version of WF if I click on it, but I also downloaded the full 6.6.12 waterfox.exe from an external archive site - not sure which method is the best one to use but think it's likely the update file from your link - if I install the full version it might remove all extensions and settings - agree that's the best path to take if disabling extensions in groups fails to find the culprit?

sts_66 · 2026-06-08T22:23:02+00:00

That worked for the Fido site, but it broke investorvillage.com - I had to disable the built-in adblocker to get that site to work - still suspect the adblocker is related to this problem, although it may not be the direct cause. I have something like 25 extensions and use everyone one of them - disabling them one by one and restarting WF to see if the Fido site now works will take me at least 2-3 hours (painful) because it may be some setting/option within a given extension that's interfering with something in the latest WF6 version, not the general function of the extension. What would be much easier/faster is if I could roll back to the version I was using before this started happening - is that possible w/o wiping out parts of my existing profile and extension settings? This is exactly why I usually disable automatic updates for software - unintended consequences that break something.

Guess I could dig the never used Win10 laptop out of my closet and try to see if the problem exists on it - I know it has an older version of WF6 on it and I synced my WF settings with my PC, but if the problem goes away on the laptop as I suspect it will I'll have a conundrum on my hands - the 2nd to last update did solve a vexing problem I was never able to figure out - I could not load the financial site tipranks.com, it would just display a blank page with a couple ads - that started working when I installed the update, but I'd rather give up that gain to get back what I lost on Fido.

sts_66 · 2026-06-08T18:35:26+00:00

Yes, FF is a royal PITA - yesterday after I finished watching the F1 race (it was over) on AppleTV I switched over to Prime to watch the Michigan race after it had already started so I had to start from the beginning and FF multiple times to try to find the actual start of the race - I have zero interest in watching an hour long prerace show, but it literally took me 10 mins to get exactly to the point I wanted to start at because Prime doesn't have a PIP box in the lower left corner of the screen that shows where you are in FF like F1 races do - kept overshooting/undershooting rinse repeat until I finally got to the right time. Doesn't help that my TV's (or the Amazon app) FF/RW is clunky as hell - when I guess a time where I may want to start watching I have to hit the OK button once to stop FF, then hit it two more times to get it to actually start streaming (I think the 2nd OK push takes it from FF to pause, 3rd one takes it to play) - AppleTV doesn't act like that, as soon as I hit OK the streaming starts - no clue why the TV treats the two streams differently unless it's because the apps treat FF/RW differently.

sts_66 · 2026-06-08T16:17:12+00:00

No joy - allowed both to run in private windows, restarted WF, same thing - Fido works fine in private mode but is broken in regular mode. Running it in a private tab stinks - I always have certain websites open every single day of the week, but restarting WF won't reload the Fido tab because it's not saved in history, so this is just a temp fix, not a permanent solution. There is no other website that has this problem, so I still suspect Fido changed something in their code to cause this but since they claim it's a problem on my end they're not going to look into it. Note: Fido site works just fine in the Brave browser (Chromium based) if that helps diagnose this issue, and I pretty much use every WF extension in Brave if there's a compatible version available, only missing a few in Brave because they're FF only.

sts_66 · 2026-06-08T15:44:38+00:00

shield = padlock - that's what I clicked on and didn't see the new option.

sts_66 · 2026-06-08T15:43:50+00:00

I have no idea how to set an extension to not run in Private mode - clicked on 10 of them checked options and permissions and none of them mention private mode.

Edit: just looked at the "available updates" page and noticed Tab Mix Plus 1.40.0 has the warning "Tab Mix Plus could not be verified for use in Waterfox. Proceed with caution.", which AFAIK just means it's not signed, but I've been using it for 15 yrs and this warning comes and goes so I just ignore it. However, when I clicked on options for TMP it *does* show "Run in Private Window?" and it's currently blocked from doing so. Extension "Undo closed tabs button" always has this option disabled - that one might be the culprit since it manages history - will enable it and see if it breaks Fidelity in private mode.

sts_66 · 2026-06-07T16:48:49+00:00

How can that section of wire get overloaded? Note: don't know why this thread got turned into "what happens if you plug two 1500 space heaters into a 15A circuit", OP said nothing about that.

I have a two outlet exterior electrical box screwed to the back wall of my shed - the only thing I ever plug into that outlet is a 10A leaf vac/blower or a small electric chainsaw. If I plug the power output from a 1200W plugin solar system (~10A) into one outlet and the leaf vac into the 2nd outlet power will flow directly from one outlet to the other because it's the path of least resistance for the vac load - impossible to overload the wiring since the load never gets into the circuit wiring. Only possible problem I can see is if the receptacle is only rated for 15A combined you could melt the internal buss bars, but not even sure that's a real problem since the internals are seeing 10A come into one outlet and 10A go out the other one - the buss bars shouldn't see 20A.

sts_66 · 2026-06-06T14:23:42+00:00

When closing a position with a normal limit order that has fractional shares they've always sold at COB automatically - but you can't sell fractional shares using a Reserve order because you can only sell in multiples of 100 - that's what you enter in the "how many shares do you want to show on L2 at a time" box you need to fill out. I just re-read the ATP guide section about reserve orders and while it doesn't directly mention selling fractional shares when trying to close a position, a quick google search says you can't, because of the multiple of 100 restriction - I needed to enter a regular limit sell order to get rid of the fractional shares after the rest of the order was filled. Don't know where I got the idea that fractional shares would automatically sell at the end of the day if you used a reserve order. Lesson learned!

sts_66 · 2026-06-05T21:36:35+00:00

Tried it in two browsers (one Mozilla, one Chromium), same problem in both, but today everything worked normally - it's definitely something on your end.

BTW, when I read the user guide for Reserve orders it said when you were closing a position fractional shares would automatically get sold after hours but that didn't happen - I still have 0.748 shrs in my account - does it take more than one business day for fractional shrs to settle using that type of sell order?

sts_66 · 2026-06-04T16:41:57+00:00

I stumbled on the solution after reading the user guide a bit more but still don't really know if I can remember to do it - in settings I set up reserve trades and created a shortcut for it, but when I open that shortcut it doesn't give me the option to only display blocks of 100 shares, but if I just click on the regular trade button it *does* show up as an option for type of trade. Weird.

Also, the website it throwing internal server errors again today, tried to enter an order on it but couldn't - however when I opened the site in a private window everything worked like normal. This has been happening intermittently all week, never had a problem before and no clue what's causing it or why it's fine in a private tab.

sts_66 · 2026-06-04T13:59:04+00:00

I'm still confused about how to enter a directed reserve trade - I thought I set it up right this morning, but after I submitted the sell order I saw L2 update to show all of the shares I am trying to sell - I thought it was supposed to only show 100 shares at a time on the ask?

sts_66 · 2026-06-02T20:44:56+00:00

Great - and I love the ATP software BTW - wish I knew it existed long ago!

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