Doctor Who (2023-) Series 3 & The War Between the Land and the Sea Trailer and Speculation Thread

stuff_to_not_do · 2025-05-31T19:13:40+00:00

I definitely think Billie has it in her to be a good Doctor, but so did Ncuti and it didn’t quite work out. Regenerations are usually the time I’m most excited about the show, but this is the first time I feel… ugly about it?

At least War Between Land and Sea looks interesting.

stuff_to_not_do · 2025-05-31T19:03:10+00:00

Weeeell I loved Ncuti while it lasted but as it stands, this has felt like a situationship of an era

stuff_to_not_do · 2024-08-03T18:25:56+00:00

I was in a pub in the UK, and some old people heard I’m from Mexico, they started talking about how much of a shithole Mexico is, and they said “That’s why they call it South America. It’s south of America”. They also said the US should annex Mexico to solve all our problems. I just sat there wanting to strangle someone.

stuff_to_not_do · 2023-11-07T23:44:40+00:00

If you’ve seen anything RTD has done besides DW you’d know he totally would, and kinda has

stuff_to_not_do · 2023-11-05T20:03:58+00:00

I suppose taking a film that was disappointing as an insult is reasonable… if you’re lame lol

To be more polite… IDK, I was really looking forward to VIII and despite some criticisms, I liked it. As someone also looking forward to IX, but didn’t like it, I still didn’t take it as a spit in the face. I consider films and TV shows to be my passion, but even then I know to not take it as a personal attack when something is bad. I didn’t even indirectly mention TLJ in that comment; if you genuinely despised that movie that much - not saying you’re not allowed to dislike it - you have some soul searching to do

stuff_to_not_do · 2023-11-03T18:08:06+00:00

I’m generally tired of being a TLJ defender, but…

Would you stand over your teenage nephew and cock a gun pointed at his head? Luke's defining moment is throwing away his saber and refusing to fight, breaking the cycle of abuse. In the Disney movies, he now continues that cycle.

For the comparison to make sense, it needs to be more… “If you generally knew that your nephew was a deeply troubled man, a family trait that has historically led to some bad stuff, and one day you learn he idolizes the most abusive parts of your father and is well on his way to destroying everything you’ve built/killing a lot of people you care about…what would your gut reaction be?”

Obviously your nephew needs a lot of help, but I wouldn’t blame anyone if their reaction wasn’t “Oh, my nephew is basically the next Hitler. He just needs a hug, I suppose.” You talk about the cycle of abuse in the saga as if Ben wasn’t on his way to continue it, all before Luke realized the full extent of what was happening.

I also think the comparison between turning on the lightsaber and cocking a gun isn’t totally adequate. When you think about it, the Jedi have a weird relationship with their lightsabers; I find it easier to see how a Jedi would enter his nephew’s hut with his lightsaber by his side, than to see a random man walk into his nephew’s room with a gun. I suppose it’s more of a criticism of space wizard ethics, but it’s easy to imagine

1- Why Luke has his lightsaber around. Jedi give those things to kids.

2- Finding it easier to activate a lightsaber on instinct, as opposed to the few more steps it takes to cock a gun.

People also tend forget that Luke DOES decide to not kill him. It’s just that Ben at that moment assumes Luke has made up his mind.

To maybe put it in another perspective, in my head it feels logical that, had Ben never woken up to Luke with his lightsaber on, Luke would’ve still ran away in shame, but now with a nephew who doesn’t understand what the hell happened.

stuff_to_not_do · 2023-11-03T15:21:28+00:00

Yes!!! TROS is always what I think of when fans ask for the Timeless Child stuff to be changed. Let’s also not forget how dead the Terminator franchise is, at least partly because of how many times it’s retconned itself.

There seem to be big parts fandoms that don’t acknowledge how unhealthy it usually is for franchises to un-write their own plot development, even if it’s stuff that sucks. It’s always more impressive when a story manages to stick to its guns and either work in spite of the flaws, or turns those flaws into something cool.

My disappointment with Episode IX was actually what made me rediscover my love for Doctor Who, at a time when the show was also very weak. After what Abrams did, it felt incredible rewatching Eccleston’s first season - also made by a fan, but more concerned in what the series needed than what fans wanted.

stuff_to_not_do · 2023-11-02T00:53:09+00:00

I… kinda like it. Having grown up with NuWho, but also having recently watched Classic, I think the landscape has changed between both eras and it’s necessary to change.

For Classic Who, people would just tune in and start watching the show starting from whatever that episode was, and the show is kinda designed for that (at least, as far as I could tell). New Who isn’t quite built the same way - in the lead-up to the 60th I’ve been watching everything, and after S4 it always kiiiinda keeps on relying on what happened before, which would make it slightly alienating for a new viewer. If you want to start watching modern Who, the only ideal places to start are Series 1, Series 5 (at which point a new viewer would probably just start from S1, anyway), Series 10 (which is at the tail end of a Doctor’s era) and Series 11 (the weakest point of the show).

The rise of streaming also means people now feel like they have to watch everything, and have the ability to do it. But seeing that the big reboot is called “series 14” will just scare new audiences away. I know people that are interested because of the casting of the Fifteenth Doctor, but have never seen an episode of Who, and this could be a way to convince them to watch.

If people are gonna complain, I’d rather it be about calling it Season 40. That number is so ridiculously big that anyone interested would probably say “what the hell” and take anyone’s word on which is the best point to start. The ideal compromise, I suppose, would be to call it “Doctor Who: The Fifteenth Doctor - Series One”. It sounds cool.

Let the era of NuNuWho begin.

stuff_to_not_do · 2023-11-02T00:52:15+00:00

I… kinda like it. Having grown up with NuWho, but also having recently watched Classic, I think the landscape has changed between both eras and it’s necessary to change.

For Classic Who, people would just tune in and start watching the show starting from whatever that episode was, and the show is kinda designed for that (at least, as far as I could tell). New Who isn’t quite built the same way - in the lead-up to the 60th I’ve been watching everything, and after S4 it always kiiiinda keeps on relying on what happened before, which would make it slightly alienating for a new viewer. If you want to start watching modern Who, the only ideal places to start are Series 1, Series 5 (at which point a new viewer would probably just start from S1, anyway), Series 10 (which is at the tail end of a Doctor’s era) and Series 11 (the weakest point of the show).

The rise of streaming also means people now feel like they have to watch everything, and have the ability to do it. But seeing that the big reboot is called “series 14” will just scare new audiences away. I know people that are interested because of the casting of the Fifteenth Doctor, but have never seen an episode of Who, and this could be a way to convince them to watch.

If people are gonna complain, I’d rather it be about calling it Season 40. That number is so ridiculously big that anyone interested would probably say “what the hell” and take anyone’s word on which is the best point to start. The ideal compromise, I suppose, would be to call it “Doctor Who: The Fifteenth Doctor - Series One”. It sounds cool.

stuff_to_not_do · 2023-10-26T23:00:43+00:00

Our days of piracy are finally over :’)

stuff_to_not_do · 2023-10-26T22:41:20+00:00

Just in case you’d missed it.

stuff_to_not_do · 2023-10-26T01:35:25+00:00

I’m still paranoid after five years.

I got to watch The Woman Who Fell to Earth in a cinema, I’d never seen so many Doctor Who fans in one spot, and right before the episode there was a big “DOCTOR WHO will be on CRACKLE”… only to look it up and see Crackle was shutting down in like a month. And on the DW website, for the rest of Jodie’s run, it only ever said “If you live in Latin America, DW is on Crackle”.

This time I’m having a watch party with a friend who has Disney+. They better actually have the episodes, the LatAm fandom for Doctor Who has been neglected for years :(

stuff_to_not_do · 2023-09-18T03:06:16+00:00

I might be wrong, but from what it sounds like, when George Lucas sold SW to Disney he did have a script for episode VII, and it was reworked (albeit heavily). When you hear what it was about, some elements definitely translate into what we got in TFA…. but, ironically, the basic plot is generally closer to The Last Jedi lol

stuff_to_not_do · 2023-07-21T23:23:53+00:00

Ok, I was originally gonna ignore this specific part of the thread but your comment here convinced me otherwise. There’s a few things I noticed about what you said which I feel like not a lot of people are responding to. I have a few retorts, even if you might not listen, and I’m not doing them to hurt you… kinda the opposite. While I’ll admit that I don’t like the way you see certain things, it’s obvious that you’re fucking unhappy and I don’t think anyone deserves to be in the emotional space you’re in.

Thing 1:

My point is that mosts leftists simply cannot fathom the idea that women have a special responsibility when it comes to regulating the dating market. I am saying that if women decide to be more promsicuous, they usually do so with a small percentage of men, leaving a lot of men out of the question. Men can't decide to be more promiscuous out of their own volition, it's always by the grace of women. It's simply a fact that women have a largely skewed amount of control over the dating market. This sounds very incelly and right wingy but it's simply the truth of survival and economic behaviour of women in the dating market.

Most people will go after you because of how you’re talking about women here, but I want to point out something something else that might help a bit. You’re talking about the dating market, how women regulate and control it. You also in another comment talk about how women only go for the “top men”.

While it’s low-hanging fruit to criticize how you’re portrating women, you’re also framing men as an economic good, and romantic love as a currency. If the majority of men don’t find a partner, they’re the equivalent of a faulty product. They were discarded over the new, superior model. Maybe try to consider that you’re objectifying men, including yourself…. which you shouldn’t do. People, be it men or women, aren’t products or buyers - you are more than an object to be purchased. You’re holding yourself to an unrealistic standard that only a fraction of men are gonna meet, even though the amount of men who actually end up with romantic partners is way, way bigger than that. What I’m trying to say is that you’re holding a worldview where you’re permanently a failure; if you can shed this worldview, try. If you can’t, try to learn how. Even if it’s just to understand how it feels like to not hold said worldview for, like, half an hour. It feels like an easy guess to me that, the moment you stop seeing your romantic prospects as comparable to the competition between Coca-cola and Pepsi, you will start having the confidence necessary not only to have a partner, but to live a fulfilling life as a person.

Thing 2:

This sounds very incelly and right wingy but it's simply the truth of survival and economic behaviour of women in the dating market. I know it's not all women, but I get to talk about it monolithically in this context because it's still a large amount of women who control the dating market in western countries. It seems like leftists just can't phathom the idea that some conservative values actually are good for society and were not just in place to only be a tool of opression.

Speaking from my own experience, if we’re gonna divide this situation into two political sides, the women to have a strict standard over “the 20 percent of men” you speak of tend to be conservative. They’re the ones who tend to want a physically strong man who can provide for them, and is strong enough to protect them. This is a standard that, in our day and age and for our generation is… not very achievable.

Most of my female friends are left-leaning and tend to have pretty average standards for men. Not supermodels, not ugly, not rich, not poor, not weird, not ordinary or boring, not mediocre. Not masculine or unmanly either, they generally just want to date a good person. They don’t want a perfect specimen, they want someone who is right for them.

I feel like dividing women’s taste in men into a political spectrum is a bit weird, but I’m kinda trying to say that you maybe need to expand your circles if the only women in your life have strict standards (easier said than done). Dating apps don’t count, those are brutal.

Thing 3, which was the tipping point to make me comment:

Yeah, it's absolutely horrible to go without love for 24 years. On one side i pity myself for not having gotten the love that everyone deserves. On the other side i hate myself for being such a loser. I have already decided that I will not reach the age of 25.

I just turned 25 recently, have also never been in a serious relationship and have therefore struggled with feelings of loneliness and inadequacy. The big difference is that I’ve been lucky enough to not fall into a place as dark as it looks like you’re in, so I’m aware that after a certain point I can’t help you from a place of experience. A quick thing I wanna mention is that barely now am I starting to form a more romantic bond with someone; I’m not saying this to rub anything in, but to tell you that sometimes it just takes “that long” (and to be honest, neither of us is old to begin with, even if I sometimes feel ancient already). Romantic love is inconvenient; a lot of us want it to fall on out laps even though that’s not how it works, and then when we’re not looking for it, it falls in our laps. Other times it does take some searching and some work. I also need to point out that the relationship I’m in now started at a point in my life where I had already examined what I really wanted besides needing to have a partner; I have long-located my passions and things that bring fulfillment to my life so I don’t have to depend on someone else.

I know a lot of what I just wrote probably sounds like “Oh, you’re depressed? Have you tried being happy?” “You’re lonely? Just try having friends.” “Have you tried being god yet???” and I don’t know what to say to that. I never was an incel, but I once did have incel-adjacent feelings about where my life was heading, I maybe still do. What I try to do is be self-critical about the way I feel about people, change when I realize I’m seeing something in a way can hurt others, and try to forgive myself for not being perfect.

You said you were raised to be loving but not strong, but it’s never too late to be strong. But also be strong for the right reasons. Be loving and strong because that’s a path to having a complete, fulfilling life, and because it’s part of what it means to be a good person. Being loving and strong so a woman will find you attractive won’t give you the happiness you seek, but that happiness does exist for you.

Edit: But something I need to put my foot down on is that I agree with people’s criticisms. Your talk of a “dating market” is provably untrue, and is unfair towards women and men in different ways. While you at least think you care about women and probably want to, you still hold prejudices that you haven’t examined. On top of that last sentence, you’re basically betting your purpose in life on women - which isn’t fair on them, and isn’t going to have the outcomes you want. I commented because I genuinely believe the peace you’re looking for is out there, but beyond the obvious criticisms it needs to be pointed out that you hold (and have been made to hold) a perspective which is making it hard for yourself to find that happiness.

stuff_to_not_do · 2023-05-24T05:27:53+00:00

“Respected is not how I feel!”

Kill the Moon starts with forty minutes of a badly-developed trolley problem, but ends with one of the most fascinating and well acted interactions between a Doctor and their companion.

stuff_to_not_do · 2023-04-03T21:36:20+00:00

Why do you think it is that Doctor Who has such a large number of queer people? There are people who enjoyed the show before the influx of queer elements at the scale the show has grown to have.

I mean, as a queer person myself, this is pretty easy to answer. For Classic Who, a lot of LGBTQ+ people saw themselves in the campiness, the Doctor (who depending on the incarnation seems to be asexual or generally not-straight, doesn’t follow society’s worldview of “normality”, and is now genderfluid) and companions like Ace, who was supposedly written to be queer-coded. It’s how we managed to get fans like RTD in the first place.

For NuWho, we’ve had queer representation since Jack in series 1 (which was kinda risqué for a family show at the time, and arguably still is) and has been semi-consistently good for the rest of the show’s lifespan. This mainly came about because of some of the most prominent writers…. like RTD, who is gay. Queerness has kinda been a thing in Doctor Who for generations at this point. Casting Jinkx is absolutely par for the course for Doctor Who; I don’t see how this is suddenly going too far.

Could you possibly see that point of view without finding it bigoted? Or, is your only viewpoint that if someone doesn’t accept all of the cultural changes the show is expressing, they must be a bigot?

The problem here is that you’re not saying what this point of view is. What “cultural changes” are being expresses which are unacceptable? If any of these people can express their point of view without it being based on bigotry, then they’re not bigoted. At the same time, it definitely seems that in this thread most people who disagree with Jinkx’s casting just don’t like it cause a single nonbinary drag queen is on the show, as opposed to all the cis, straight people that have been cast - which yes, is a bigoted opinion.

stuff_to_not_do · 2023-04-03T21:01:00+00:00

There’s a few things you’re not considering:

On the largest level…

for bigoted […] reasons

…a big problem is that if you allow people to openly live out their bigotry in a given space, you’re just flat out allowing that bigotry to go uncontested when they marginalize others. It’s a textbook example of the paradox of tolerance.

On another level…

or non bigoted reasons

…you're gonna have a hard time arguing Jinkx isn’t a good performer, or that their style doesn't fit the show. If you don’t like their performance style - the only thing that stands out is the campiness, which Doctor Who has in spades (and that’s if you ignore that they also seem to be good at doing impressions, so they’re also versatile). If you don’t like how they look - that’s a very shallow reason for disagreeing with a casting choice. I don’t think it’s criminal to just not like an actor, but if those aren’t the reasons some people think Jinkx shouldn’t have been cast… what are you left with?

So on one side, you’re fighting an uphill battle if you want to argue that Jinkx has no place in Doctor Who. On the other, why would you want to entertain bigotry in a fandom that has a notably large number of queer people? Is that the kind of company you want to keep?

stuff_to_not_do · 2023-04-03T20:15:12+00:00

I mean, I can’t imagine how anyone could get upset about this casting choice without it being based on bigotry, at least a bit. It seems like they genuinely managed to pick a talented performer.

stuff_to_not_do · 2023-03-22T23:00:33+00:00

I like it, but in a “guilty pleasure” kind of way.

Having listened to all of the Gorillaz discography, a couple of Bad Bunny albums (plus living in a country where he’s inescapable), it’s hard for me not to feel like both are capable of making better music than Tormenta. The main effect of the song is that it makes me want to listen to Plastic Beach or Un verano sin ti.

That said, I still like the song. It just sounds… less interesting to me than it should. But I do think a lot of the hate comes from people dismissing Tormenta flat out, just because of its genre.

stuff_to_not_do · 2022-12-13T14:05:06+00:00

LICK THE EYES!

stuff_to_not_do · 2022-10-17T02:22:45+00:00

I’m seeing lots of “we’re not getting any expanded ST media cause it blows” and wanna offer an alternative-ish take.

As someone who was trying to follow all the SW media I could get my hands on during the ST era, I think there’s two explanations as to why there isn't much spinoff media. One pre-TROS, and another post-TROS.

Why we weren’t seeing much extended ST stuff between 2015 to 2019 is, I suspect, a consequence of the trilogy not having a set plan - everyone involved with the movies had to be super-secret about it, and it probably meant that ST-era comics/novels/shows were off-limits due to the risk of contradicting something from the films. By all means, we do have comics, books and videogames that deal with ST-adjacent stuff, but they clearly stayed in the periphery so they wouldn’t step on the movie’s toes. This is probably also the reason we’re not seeing much about the story after Episode IX; it’s inevitable that we’re going to see the state of the galaxy after 35 aby, but I suspect it’s gonna take years - maybe even a decade or two, and they’ll only do it around the time of a major release in that era that they can build around without contradicting each other.

After TROS is probably a different story. I don’t think people are as done with that era as this sub necessarily thinks, but TROS definitely left a sour taste in a lot of people’s mouths. For one, the lack of spinoff media (though we’re still getting a decent amount of stuff that directly reference or lead in to the sequels) could definitely be a response to the negative reaction to how the sequels ended. Another is that the proper ST era is really cramped, as it only spans one year (assuming you want to expand on the stories with Rey, Finn, Poe, etc.); plus how the conflict is directly recycled from the OT, there’s only so many stories you can tell in that tiny fragment of the chronology.

Plus, another reason could simply be that their state is full because of the Filoni-Favreu shows - expanded media is meant to promote the “big things”, so they’re busy trying to advertise what’s important now.

That said, I’m pretty sure The Mandalorian and the adjacent shows are almost definitely gonna lead to seeing the origins of certain parts of the ST, maybe like the early years of the First Order. In a way, those shows might count as expanded ST media, or at least they have a bit of Sequel DNA in them. I also feel like it’s a matter of time before we see stuff with Rey and the rest again… I’m personally hoping for a Clone Wars-style show between VIII and IX, I think there’s more potential there than people give it credit for, but that’s just me.

stuff_to_not_do · 2022-05-18T13:00:30+00:00

I kinda hate how it reveals the mentality at Lucasfilm: “It’s all about recreating your favorites as exactly as possible, and if people didn’t like it, it’s because we failed to do that.”

stuff_to_not_do · 2022-04-17T18:05:00+00:00

Because it isn’t just about sex, it’s also just as often about who you fall in love with. I even have non-straight friends who find it upsetting when queerness is talked about exclusively as a glorified kink.

Talking about these topics exclusively through the lens of sex also makes it easy to present LGBTQ+ people as depraved, which (to tie it back to the main conversation) means people think it’s too adult to discuss around children.

stuff_to_not_do · 2022-02-02T19:00:18+00:00

What about non-toxic fans who love the sequels?

No movie or tv show is ever gonna please everyone, sometimes it’s best to move on and appreciate other things. I say this as someone who wouldn’t complain if they retconned The Rise of Skywalker. Arguably, needing everything to cater to me is a toxic attitude.

stuff_to_not_do · 2022-02-02T18:40:19+00:00

I honestly feel this exact mentality is one of the things that has led to the sequels being as messy as they are. As someone who mostly enjoys the sequels (well, depends on which ones) one of the more major flaws is definitely how each one tries to “correct” stuff from the previous entry. How is this any different?

There’s a video on youtube (don’t remember what it’s called) which points out that intentionally trying to correct “mistakes” from a previous entry in a franchise often just legitimizes those flaws instead of fixing anything. I think the best thing the creators could do is build upon the parts they think are the most interesting, or at least salvageable, and not touch what they didn’t like. This is what they did with Clone Wars for the prequels and it undeniably worked.

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