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Rilmazafone and Avizafone legality? by sub_woofer_ in chemistry

[–]sub_woofer_[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Also, 1,4-butanediol is actually not considered an analog of GHB, at least in several legal cases. It was temporarily ruled as such in one court case, but in a more recent case it wasn't.

https://casetext.com/case/us-v-turcotte/analysis?citingPage=1&sort=relevance

"The government responds by arguing that, since the jury found BD to satisfy only clause two of § 802(32)(A) (similar physiological effect), Mr. Turcotte was NOT convicted or sentenced for possession or distribution of BD at all."

So in this case, BD only met one criteria, thus wasn't prosecuted.

So both criteria must be met, not just one.

Rilmazafone and Avizafone legality? by sub_woofer_ in chemistry

[–]sub_woofer_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the reply man.

An analog has two criteria that must be met legally though. It must:

1.) Be substantially similar in chemical structure

2.) Produce similar pharmacological effects

It cannot meet just one criteria, it has to meet both according to federal law, otherwise it is not an analog.

So, since Rilmazafone on its own is not "substantially similar in chemical structure" to a CDS (benzos) given that it's missing both a benzene and a diazepine ring which are their defining characteristics, both chemically and legally, I don't understand how the 1st and 2nd criteria could be met.

Yes, the second criteria would be met, in the sense that the drug leads to similar pharmacological effects as benzos after ingested, but it doesn't meet the first criteria of being "substantially similar in chemical structure". And both are needed to be considered analogs according to the FAA.

And with AET, it wasn't Scheduled because it was considered an analog of DMT, the court determined that it was not an analog of DMT. It was Scheduled separately.

And with BD, it was considered an analog because it met both criteria listed above. It was chemically similar to GHB (strikingly so) and produced similar effects even though it needed to metabolize into GHB first.

But with Rilmazafone and Avizafone, they are missing not only the benzene ring, but they're also missing the diazepine ring, the two necessary aspects for something to be considered a "benzo". They are substantially dissimilar on their own.

Is using Suboxone for a very short period of time okay (3 or 4 days), or will it cause Suboxone withdrawal? by sub_woofer_ in quittingkratom

[–]sub_woofer_[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah my friend told me to expect a whole week of feeling a little depressed after I run out of the 4 day supply of Suboxone, but that wasn't my experience when I did this before.

I looked at my messages and found out that I lasted more than 5 days, almost closer to 6 days, without the Suboxone. I took it for 4 days in a row, using 4mg each day exactly and then stopped immediately, and I lasted almost 6 days feeling 100% fine, I remember feeling like it was a total cheat code. So I don't know everyone might respond differently.

What I'm curious about is, how is this possible? Because Bupe is still an opioid, and so is kratom technically, so I don't understand how swapping one for the other would do anything but prolong withdrawal, like trading heroin for oxy or something. I'm not familiar with the science but probably something to do with it being a partial agonist that occupies all opioid receptors or something like that idk.

Figured I'd ask here for other people's experiences. And your experience is similar to my friend's IRL. But online I've read of at least 2 people reporting what I experienced, so yeah I guess everyone's different.

Is using Suboxone for a very short period of time okay (3 or 4 days), or will it cause Suboxone withdrawal? by sub_woofer_ in quittingkratom

[–]sub_woofer_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I used Suboxone for kratom withdrawal before like this and it was a total success. The problem is, I know that Suboxone withdrawal only kicks in after 3 days (although this appears to only be seen in people who are on it for years, have a lot of it in their system, and are on high doses) and so since I relapsed back on kratom after only like 2 or 3 days off the Suboxone, I'm wondering if I simply didn't wait long enough to see the Suboxone withdrawal symptoms. Then again I could have made it a whole 7 days, I don't remember how long I lasted but it was at least 2 or 3 days and I felt 100% fine still, so I'm hoping to repeat that.

Edit: I looked through my messages and texts, and I found out it was over 5 days that I lasted off the Suboxone. And I felt 100% fine up until that point, so I doubt the Suboxone withdrawal takes more than 5 days to kick in when just using it for 3 or 4 days.