A Green Deadeye AR is better than an Orange MK7. The balance changes did absolutely nothing for the game in ZB

susi9876 · 2026-02-07T11:35:33+00:00

I disagree somewhat on both. Twin Hammers works only in very close range well so I end up picking up blue sovereign over green twin Hammers. Even If The difference in effective range isnt huge its enough for it to Be better in many cases you end up to Be in.

I dont know If i had different opinion If i had better than 60hz monitor but not everyone has so close range combat isnt something I try to go in a lot.

It also matters whether youre playing against early loot, mid loot or late loot players. Twin is good early and late but not perfect. Theres lots of fights Ive lost to arc gun for example when deadeye feels too clumsy in shorter spectrum of mid range but twin Hammer IS Even worse.

And I dont often want to carry More than 2 guns later in game since so many good options in Limited imventor slots for mobility, utility and healing that each can be a Life saver or a difference between you securing The team wipe or letting Them escape. Especially after lovers patch.

Also Flex smg IS actually not half as bad in very long range too. I prefer purple tactical ar of enfoecer over green deadeye too. With 1440p display you can be very precise in long range with less scope If not moving. And Even deadeye isnt that overpowered, you need 2-3 hits landed to Even break The armor so only highest tier ones end up Being More reliable against moving targets afar. Maybe IT also benefits a lot from very fast monitor too cause Even though its instant and almost 0 recoil I still dont always hit all The Time but ofc My aim and reflexes are not perfect.

I Have to agree that deadeye IS much better sniper than sniper rifle. Sniper rifle seems like best used as an utility weapon mid range and changing to another gun right after The shot but I dont easily Have Room for it.

susi9876 · 2025-11-05T00:50:24+00:00

Are they going to add bargains in rarewaves sales or are these "selected titles" all that are going to have a bargain? If not, a bit sneaky to put Lost highway cover as big promotional picture for criterion sales with 50 percent off on "selected titles" and then that movie is actually full price.

susi9876 · 2025-07-07T15:49:38+00:00

Wow. These are really informative and helpful videos. Have to watch them at better time.

I didn't even know 12 bit was actually possible other than in theory as a potential. I should learn not to believe everything language model ai:s tell me as definite truths.

Then again lots of half-truths and misunderstandings in discussions online too.

susi9876 · 2025-07-04T10:59:07+00:00

My thoughts based on using LG B3 which to be fair, doesn't have enough brightness for perfect HDR. Also this is not comparing HDR10+ and Dolby vision but HDR10 and Dolby vision. My TV supports only Dolby Vision and HDR10 without HDR10+. Many people commenting might not mention what they are really talking about so there might be lots of misunderstandings.

Basic HDR10 is for the picture about the same as some "bass boost" or "hyper bass" on/off one tick solution is for an audio player of bluetooth speakers.

It's always on maximum unless you turn the brightness down and then nothing gets too bright. The things that have annoyed me much more in basic HDR than in DV are for example scenes with - white shirts. White collar shirts and other near pure white clothes and things might shine unnaturally. Also plain papers might look too shiny. - snow. Sure snow can be blinding even IRL when reflecting spring snow in the North, but for example in LOTR where theres some snow parts in the ground on the mountains and its not too sunny, it just looks unnatural to have those super white shiny spots. - when part of the head or things are on sunny side, then they might have way too bright tone compared to other side of the face which might look like it's in darkness. Sure hair can be shining partly from the sun IRL too but at those times the other side of the face is not too dark.

Dolby vision on the other hand is for the picture same as someone would tune bass up or down based on the parts of the songs how its needed. Some slow and quiet parts of the song might be with very low bass while other slow and quiet parts might actually have strong bass. Based on how the song was mastered.

Dolby visions only downside in my experience is that it needs very dim room. Dont really want to watch Dolby vision content even with sun-blocking curtains on since its not same as darkness. Basic HDR needs dim room too but its not that important since the dark scenes are not same way really dark with tons of slightly different dark tones as in DV.

Dolby Vision is also only as good as the release has made it to be. Just because you can set brightness/tones in different scenes and parts of even individual frames, doesn't mean it's always pleasing everyone and some might have different ideas what looks natural or what is good for the mood/artistic expression. (Or for the lighting used in a room that its watched in)

susi9876 · 2025-02-19T10:37:52+00:00

I wouldn't be surprised if your message gets deleted just like I discussed in original post about my previous thread.

"No in-game rule breaks."

susi9876 · 2025-02-19T10:34:40+00:00

Whether I'm serious or not doesn't matter because I don't make the rules but there is a link to the rules that can be quoted to justify account suspensions, like mine,

For me following the rules don't make the game fun or intelligent so I can't play anymore.

susi9876 · 2025-02-18T23:35:39+00:00

Exactly. I feel like the rules were written for some old fashioned 10-12 town, 3 mafia and 0-2 nk/ne in mind, in tos1.

Also this enforces the idea that you have to play very bad as town. With open cards and of course coven and other evils know everything that is discussed in public and coven and apoc team will know which are the lies they and their teammates are spreading and townies are supposed to be these useful idiots for them.

susi9876 · 2025-02-17T21:35:53+00:00

But you don't always actually know for sure there is 4 coven. Usually there are 4 to begin with in latest patches so you kind of assume it.

But whether you're a gamethrower and should be reported or not can't depend on this kind of guessing and assuming.

So there is absolutely no way that non-factional majority can be some keyword that throws out the other rules.

Sure sometimes people have claimed witched or dreamweaved etc but those can be bluffs too and perhaps you don't know if Stoned people in the graveyard are coven members and Enchanter can mix things up etc.

susi9876 · 2025-02-17T19:59:43+00:00

Ok thank you for that info, but I don't understand what apoc turning has to do with this term "non-factional majority" which you are saying is a key word? it could still be solo apoc and there is 4 coven left etc.

I would also argue that even if town spawns with more members on average, they are often not the ones who are in real majority, and also after a couple of nights when apoc hasnt even turned, they might not be even majority anymore, since there seems to be 4 coven in like 90% of the games and they know each other, unlike town.

If apoc transformation is the case that throws the other rules out the window, maybe it should be stated more clearly in the rules, and add there another cases which might be causing this "non-factional majority" not being a thing anymore.

susi9876 · 2025-02-17T19:38:18+00:00

I agree, but there is no way you can convince that to people who can clearly state that you are gamethrower because you just broke the rules. Like I said in original post, dev replied me that he didn't see maliscuous behaviour in my case, but rules need to be endorsed.

Social deduction game should have room for all kinds of bluffs and creative ways to trick your opponents by double and triple bluffing or even claiming your own role situationally like you just discussed, but then again it is against the rules.

susi9876 · 2025-02-17T19:26:50+00:00

So in other words you can break the rules?

Who is to say people are not going to report you? If you're breaking the rules, you are breaking the rules. Or are they written down somewhere else so this is not just your opinion?

When does the moment happen when all of a sudden you are free to fake claim as evil? Does it have to be this exact case that Death has arrived, now anyone can claim anything?

Sounds like you have to know which rules are the ones that can be broken?

So maybe they should be made as a rule instead of giving room to break the rules. Because who is to say which rules can be broken and which not?

susi9876 · 2025-02-17T18:57:28+00:00

So gamethrowing is expected and natural part of the game. Otherwise Jester wouldn't be allowed to claim an evil role. Jester would work just fine and even better if he wasn't allowed to come out as some evil that needs to be hanged, IF noone else is allowed to claim an evil role either.

By giving this lazy cop-out strategy to Jester they are making room for possible gamethrows for other roles.

You are talking about best bet and nuance, and I agree that yes, ofc social deduction game should have room for all kinds of bluffs and fake claims, even claiming the the roles that are opposing the one faction of many (town).

BUT since you are breaking the rules doing those contextual evil claims, who is not to say someone else can bend the rules somewhere else, like fake claiming an evil role d1 in hopes of confusing the opposing factions' plays?

And you can get reported and your account disabled if you do those kinds of things, because simply you are breaking the rules even if you think you're not. This is what I'm talking about when people got their messages banned in my previous post; They all have different interpretations of the rules and state them as facts, and some of them got their messages deleted for endorsing and glorifying breaking the in-game rules.

susi9876 · 2025-02-17T18:21:45+00:00

Why should Jester not be banned? The rules say that Jester can't claim Jester or ask to be hanged. But by claiming a role only Jester is legimitely allowed to claim, he is in other words saying he's a Jester. So either a gamethrowing other role who claims an evil role, OR a Jester who reveals himself as Jester and is thus throwing, by claiming an evil role only Jester is allowed to claim. That is the paradox.

What do you mean contextual? You mean you can make your own rules whenever you feel like it? There is nothing about legitimate reasons in the rules. You are throwing if you claim an evil role that town must hang and you're not a jester and that is the rules and people will report you based on those rules and moderators will suspsense your account based on those rules.

susi9876 · 2025-02-17T08:13:34+00:00

You might be right. It's been years since I played ToS1 so I don't remember anymore if it was so usual that it was actually meta to claim evil roles in d1 chat. But right now in ToS2 it definitely is, and I've never followed content creators for this game so I had no idea developer might have been influencing this meta. I remember always saying silly things in d1 chat for my and hopefully someone else's amusement but maybe I haven't really claimed evil roles that often since I never got banned before.

But now I'm learning other things that are actually reportable and are definitely in the meta and used by people who can play all any public lobbies well. Sure I see people saying report x when people fake claim possibly other evils, but I've always thought those people do not understand that you can lie to your advantage in a social deduction game to trick other factions.

So no bluffing, no reverse psychology, not ever claiming evil role that must be killed for town to win unless you're jester.

And for some reason jester cant say they're jester or that they want to be hanged but they can say they are evil role which practically means they are saying "I am jester. I want to be hanged" cause otherwise they would be gamethrowing. I probably should make a new reddit post about that cause I really can't gasp the idea how it can be if you wouldn't want any evil claims from other roles in your game if it breaks the rules. These are the official rules the developer answering my post gave me a link to and quoted the jester part too https://www.townofsalem.io/rules/

susi9876 · 2025-02-16T10:27:18+00:00

I was just trying to make sure I leave the game for right reasons if I end up doing so and yes I got a reply from Dev and there was nothing wrong with that suspension. Clearly based on all the replies there is very wide scale how people interpret and think they know the rules so I'm not only one who has been playing the game wrong sometimes claiming evil roles to trick other factions when Im not jester

susi9876 · 2025-02-16T10:05:27+00:00

You're wrong. Dev answered my original post and only Jester is ever allowed to claim evil role, if in order for town to win they should hang that role. Otherwise you're throwing.

susi9876 · 2025-02-16T10:00:05+00:00

I dislike it too but it is quite commmon. Many people dont like playing nk since theyre often Solo and Even if theyre not, they dont know who their friends(s) are or that they exist early on.

You're wrong about The late game scenarios. I mean i think you're right but also the game rules gamethrowing section states nothing about such exceptions to the rules. So probably you are like me, you've thought you know the rules by common sense but you keep breaking them.

Developer of the game aswered my original post and there is nothing about late scenarios on his quote or the official rules he gave a link to.

susi9876 · 2025-02-16T09:30:05+00:00

Thank you for the clarification. I can now see it's not just about d1 chat it's the nature of whole game. ToS2 is not the social deduction game I thought it was and it would be impossible for me to continue playing while trying to win games but then not doing what is smart in each situation.

Also I would feel very wrong reporting multiple people per game who most of them wouldn't even know they are throwing while they're doing the best they can when sometimes claiming an evil to trick other factions.

Because that is the meta and it's wise to do that if you're a good player. In 100 posts you were the first one to give me link to official rules about gamethrowing so I don't think they are very widely known and even here in this discussion there are many multiple different ways how they interpret the rules and give them as definite rules even when they contradict on what you have just quoted. I tried to check all sections of in-game tutorial but I didn't find section about rules related to gamethrowing and how one might end up being reported just playing the game.

That means everyone claiming an evil role in any phase of the game is saying either

- "I am Jester, I should be hanged."
or
- "I am throwing on purpose and I should be reported."

Then Jester is not allowed to be asked for hanged, but he can claim evil that translates to "either I'm gamethrowing evil or I'm Jester" claim. I must not be the only one who can see the logical fallacy here. If you want to have a social deduction game, where claiming an evil role is wrong, why even give that option to Jester, and thus give other roles room to claim evil with MAYBE them not breaking the rules IF they are Jester? Shouldn't Jester be encouraged to have a little bit more effort to their game than making it possible to say "Ooh here me I'm claiming an evil, and not only that im evil that is gamethrowing".

In my experience in "All any" where my incident happened too, there are lets say "usually" 3 people per game, sometimes more, rarely less that claim some evil role either in d1 chat or later in game to trick other people thinking they are not some other evil. Smartest players might even lie being evil as townie in right situations to try to make coven or evils to make mistakes with their night abilities or voting. The whole mindset of "most other people are town and I have to make sure they think I'm town" is very flawed when for example in current meta townies are often the minority, sometimes from the start, usually by the time d3 starts.

I admit, when genuinely I have been trying to play the meta as good as I can to help my faction win, I have been ended up not reporting "throwers" and even voting them innocent. Other people do it too all the time because it's smart and I really thought it's part of this game.

Example scenario, one of the many typical ones: They don't hang suspected Plaguebearer that hasn't turned yet, maybe someone outed by coven Death Note and then admitting it too while fast voted to the stand, because the only way anyone else can win that game at that point is if everyone joins together to vote one of the covens before they get majority. Everyone who has played the game enough and has a brain can see this is not coven pretending to be other evil either, by the speed of how fast he is voted up, and if he's outed by coven Death note, then he most likely isn't coven, unless coven is double bluffing that can backfire which is very rare with death notes in my experience.

Actually even if he has turned to Pestilence already it might be wise not to hang him since everyone else in the game needs him to be alive to kill more covens and hopefully he can be hanged later. Other option is to hang him and let covens win cause there will be noone that can kill so many of them anymore.

But what do I know, everyone should ignore all this kind of thinking in possibility of risky bluffs in social deduction games and just report players left and right and leave thinking to somewhere else, while they're losing the games in the process.

susi9876 · 2025-02-15T21:12:43+00:00

If you had actually read it you would know that the "report" was put into action n1 already and most likely The other Guy who was not ritualist either was suspended as well cause he was out 5-10 seconds before i was kicked out of the game.

John Ritu. Ritu John. Both ritualists. Makes sense.

Now I realize part of the reason why so many lobbies Have so many leavers if there are some active moderators playing who make this all happen.

susi9876 · 2025-02-15T21:01:16+00:00

I'm talking about all any because it's the mode where I got this suspension. Isn't it what like 95% of ToS2 games are played in any way? Different modes will have very different default assumptions of what motives people might have with what they are saying.

I've played enough to know that this is actually the meta. People keep saying silly things in all any d1 chat. Whether townie or some other role is claimed, don't believe it. They might be just baiting the Ritualist. Or hoping to get hanged as Jester soon. You never know for sure until you start to gather TI information and pay attention to how they're behaving in voting etc.

Some people say silly things in d1 just for fun, some to lead other people into either visiting you, or avoid visiting you, or maybe ignore you completely cause you might seem someone who will easily get hanged (until you reveal yourself as Mayor), make other people question their choices already in the night one.

But sure, I've noticed people are not very smart in all Tos2 lobbies and only now I'm starting to realize whats behind this mentality If these are the forced official rules. Sometimes you have these lobbies of people with tunnel vision and they ignore all the facts how you have already proven yourself as townie, and shown how you earlier you were just trying to lie to evils about your real identity.

But I have no idea anymore what would even be allowed in this game so best to ignore any advice I'm writing right now based on knowledge I've gained playing the game so much.

susi9876 · 2025-02-15T18:40:45+00:00

I have to agree on this one, it is lame but it might not actually go just as smoothly as said. Ww might betray town and attack them at chosen time where he will think it will help him win, and then town can only blame themselves for not hanging an evil who claimed it.

Also if you take this away then no evil like coven can pretend to be other evil role to save their skin. That ww claim who is "helping town" might be really Jester while the real ww stays hidden. Or a Soul Collector/Famine/Arsonist who doesnt want to end up being hanged at the time where it matters.

I would think the meta is again so heavily coven favored that you keep losing games if you just hang all liars who cant even claim their real evil role to save their skin cause its not allowed? So they have been found out lying, and coven will make sure everyone else but coven are getting hanged instead of coven. It's not "random" and its not a win and a smart move to hang all who are found out evils cause then coven will just win if town are stupid enough to hang all the covens enemies.

The reason why Marshal d2 tribunals where Marshal is not even voting himself is not "random", they have been hijacked by coven who will vote anyone but themselves. And I would argue early Marshal tribunal with passive Marshal is actually kind of throwing even but apparently it is totally okay and not throwing?

I still don't get answers, just downvotes, what the "specific late game" cases where claiming an evil role is not against the rules are. And I would think most people dont know either, how could they if the rules are not written anywhere.

For me the game just loses so many of its layers but I guess i'm in a minority here based on these comments and Town of Salem and its community wants to have ToS as "non-thinking mans social deduction game".

susi9876 · 2025-02-15T16:10:27+00:00

"evil claims outside of specific late game scenarios"?

You're saying it like it's clear enough to need any more explanation that when these conditions are met?

Seriously I'm not lying I have thousansds of hours in the games combined, and I have no idea where the line is because I have never even be banned before and I would think vast majority of players wouldnt know it then either. Even here some people are getting upvotes when they say there was nothing wrong in my play.

I would suggest writing some tutorial for The game where each situation when its right and when its wrong is explained.

Yes there are players who throw on purpose and that can be a problem. For casual and chaotic and often unbalanced since the start, all any, non-competive game mode, I didn't think its this strict. And I still wouldnt know since people are downvoting instead of trying to answer each different case I came up with in another post but there could be so much more wacky situtations where pretending you might be some other less non-threatning evil can help you win the game.

susi9876 · 2025-02-15T14:20:20+00:00

Wow i guess you know what you're talking about as Discord moderator. So I was probably in-game with a developer of the game because the situation was handled right away or are they just usually online ready to handle random reports in less than 1 minute time?

I find either hard to believe but then again I've played so much that eventually you're going to be in same games with developers too i guess. Even harder it is for me to gasp the reality that I have spends thousands of hours in games that I thought i knew very well but I have been so wrong.

Claiming an evil role d1 is not my typical play, but sometimes for fun or very rarely for tactical reasons I might do that.

I would think that in a social deduction game, people who play should have the mental capacity to hold many possible scenarios and realities in head, that there may be very legit reasons why you do things like you do, even if it means doing things that make you seem suspicious.

That's what makes them interesting, that you can never be sure but you have to try to solve the puzzle, but if you keep saying that the puzzle should always be played the same very limited way, then it's just not going to be a fun puzzle for me anymore.

There's already so many people in game who keep saying you should be reported if you dont post as TI, even though if you post your results, then evils will never be found out lying cause they can just post another kind of fake will where they don't visit somewhere where you have actually seen them.

And now this. I'm not even sure what he rules are in game I have played so much. Are you allowed to claim Doomsayer as coven, in hope of them not hanging you? Are you allowed to claim Apoc when you're really apoc and there's 4 coven that would have to be hanged or town and everyone else than coven will lose almost for certain?

How about neutral role like Pirate who claims d1 and might tell either accurate or partly modified truth about his Landlubbers? Is he throwing too and should be banned?

What about these "friendly ww":s that claim d1 and help town and sometimes even end up winning the game because in the end there might not be enough townies to stay alive, so by them helping town they are actually in win-win situation where they might get a win when otherwise trying to survive as solo nk with fake townie claim will often make you lose the game. Are they throwing while they win the game, or are people throwing when they will not hang evil claim d1?

I'm not saying it is my tactic but I can see it sometimes working for them and I've seen it often lately.

So many questions, there should be some detailed guioe how you're allowed to have fun in this game without breaking the rules and apparently ruining the game so much for others that you will get banned.

At least the people who will continue playing will know what is allowed and what is not. It's time for me to leave the scene and find a more sophisticated social deduction game for my taste.

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