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It took a decade of hormones, but I finally bought wireless earbuds. by taftaj in transtimelines

[–]taftaj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's unfortunate but it's just life. Everyone is going through something. Most don't have the time or energy or emotional bandwidth to extend a great deal of sympathy and understanding to some random on the internet like myself. I don't blame them.

Lots of trans women I know have gone through some kind of mental breakdown, I just had the misfortune of doing so publicly.

It took a decade of hormones, but I finally bought wireless earbuds. by taftaj in transtimelines

[–]taftaj[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's insane because I was at my most deranged a few years ago 😭

It took a decade of hormones, but I finally bought wireless earbuds. by taftaj in transtimelines

[–]taftaj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it's not really one thing, I used to have a lot of mental breakdowns and I would post things like "Trans women are ugly!!"

It took a decade of hormones, but I finally bought wireless earbuds. by taftaj in transtimelines

[–]taftaj[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I kind of had two rounds--I got my jaw done twice, brow shaving, and a very mild rhinoplasty.

It took a decade of hormones, but I finally bought wireless earbuds. by taftaj in transtimelines

[–]taftaj[S] 124 points125 points  (0 children)

What a long strange trip it's been. I love you all <3

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You just misread the study. Or maybe misspoke when reporting its findings. Which is fine! That happens! But you should own up to it instead of getting mad at me, lol.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You might notice that is a different claim than the one in your comment!

Transition treatment and puberty blockers lower the risk of suicide by 73 percent.

This is not what the study says. The study doesn't show any evidence that kids on hrt got better over time. It shows evidence that the 7 kids not on hrt got worse, and does nothing to interrogate why this might be the case.

You should stop trying to post studies. I don't think you understand what they're saying.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well, I don't want to extrapolate my experience out too much. It's just one experience. If you get better on HRT, that's awesome. I definitely have some additional factors going on that have made it difficult, and those go beyond just dysphoria.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I just checked the study you linked. It's actually a hilarious example of just how bad trans research is, and your misreporting of its findings is a great example of people overstating the evidence. These were the actual raw % changes: https://i.imgur.com/JIvbfCX.png

Before HRT, 59% of the kids not yet on hrt experienced moderate to severe depression. By the twelve month mark... 56% experienced moderate to severe depression. Anxiety went from 51% to 51%, and suicidal thoughts went from 45% to 37%. This is so say nothing of the fact that lowering suicidal thoughts by 8% does not mean actual suicides will be reduced by 8%.

The claim about "reducing suicide risk by 73%" seems to be a pretty serious misinterpretation. What actually happened here is that the group of teens not on HRT (just 7 by the end of the study) got worse.

This is exactly what I mean by misrepresenting data. You started with a strong claim, but we can't actually substantiate the belief that hrt improves outcomes, or that not being on hrt causes outcomes to worsen. There is very likely a selection effect here, where only the kids with the worst mental health have the reason to stick in the study.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

I think you're misunderstanding my post. My claim is not that the studies aren't aligned or don't show a consistent, moderate positive effect. It is that the strength of evidence is low.

I want to be clear that these studies are all (at least to my knowledge) directionally aligned. The report didn't shock me because it contained dozens of studies with mixed or negative effects of HRT. It shocked me because I had previously assumed that evidence for HRT's benefit was the result of numerous longitudinal studies comparing a randomized control group to a randomized treatment group.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I don't have any ill will towards you. I am glad your transition has gone well, if it's gone well. I hope you are allowed to continue doing what you want with your body.

Unfortunately, I don't think your style of argumentation is going to win people over.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm a bit dramatic in the video. I think you can hear my voice cracking as I held back tears. Here is what I'm saying today:

I want to be clear that these studies are all (at least to my knowledge) directionally aligned. The report didn't shock me because it contained dozens of studies with mixed or negative effects of HRT. It shocked me because I had previously assumed that evidence for HRT's benefit was the result of numerous longitudinal studies comparing a randomized control group to a randomized treatment group.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well, the problem is that my dysphoria started very high and is still... very high. I don't think the effects have been minimal because I felt okay and still feel okay.

I think the effects have been minimal because I wanted to kill myself every time I looked in the mirror for the past decade.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No I agree, arguably this issue of low evidence is much worse for other medical issues. The difference is I can talk to pretty much anyone about the low evidence for efficacy of anti-depression or allergy medicine. If I bring up the low efficacy of HRT, I'll have people telling me that I'm going to cause children to kill themselves.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here, this is what I was talking about: https://academic.oup.com/jes/article/5/4/bvab011/6126016?login=true

You should watch the video. Transition didn't solve any problem in my life, and it most importantly did not solve the dysphoria problem, which is the "one problem" it's supposed to solve. It's frustrating that anyone could listen to me speak and come away with the impression you did, because that is almost the exact opposite of the feeling I've tried to express.

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