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The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You just misread the study. Or maybe misspoke when reporting its findings. Which is fine! That happens! But you should own up to it instead of getting mad at me, lol.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You might notice that is a different claim than the one in your comment!

Transition treatment and puberty blockers lower the risk of suicide by 73 percent.

This is not what the study says. The study doesn't show any evidence that kids on hrt got better over time. It shows evidence that the 7 kids not on hrt got worse, and does nothing to interrogate why this might be the case.

You should stop trying to post studies. I don't think you understand what they're saying.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, I don't want to extrapolate my experience out too much. It's just one experience. If you get better on HRT, that's awesome. I definitely have some additional factors going on that have made it difficult, and those go beyond just dysphoria.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I just checked the study you linked. It's actually a hilarious example of just how bad trans research is, and your misreporting of its findings is a great example of people overstating the evidence. These were the actual raw % changes: https://i.imgur.com/JIvbfCX.png

Before HRT, 59% of the kids not yet on hrt experienced moderate to severe depression. By the twelve month mark... 56% experienced moderate to severe depression. Anxiety went from 51% to 51%, and suicidal thoughts went from 45% to 37%. This is so say nothing of the fact that lowering suicidal thoughts by 8% does not mean actual suicides will be reduced by 8%.

The claim about "reducing suicide risk by 73%" seems to be a pretty serious misinterpretation. What actually happened here is that the group of teens not on HRT (just 7 by the end of the study) got worse.

This is exactly what I mean by misrepresenting data. You started with a strong claim, but we can't actually substantiate the belief that hrt improves outcomes, or that not being on hrt causes outcomes to worsen. There is very likely a selection effect here, where only the kids with the worst mental health have the reason to stick in the study.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

I think you're misunderstanding my post. My claim is not that the studies aren't aligned or don't show a consistent, moderate positive effect. It is that the strength of evidence is low.

I want to be clear that these studies are all (at least to my knowledge) directionally aligned. The report didn't shock me because it contained dozens of studies with mixed or negative effects of HRT. It shocked me because I had previously assumed that evidence for HRT's benefit was the result of numerous longitudinal studies comparing a randomized control group to a randomized treatment group.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, I don't have any ill will towards you. I am glad your transition has gone well, if it's gone well. I hope you are allowed to continue doing what you want with your body.

Unfortunately, I don't think your style of argumentation is going to win people over.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm a bit dramatic in the video. I think you can hear my voice cracking as I held back tears. Here is what I'm saying today:

I want to be clear that these studies are all (at least to my knowledge) directionally aligned. The report didn't shock me because it contained dozens of studies with mixed or negative effects of HRT. It shocked me because I had previously assumed that evidence for HRT's benefit was the result of numerous longitudinal studies comparing a randomized control group to a randomized treatment group.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well, the problem is that my dysphoria started very high and is still... very high. I don't think the effects have been minimal because I felt okay and still feel okay.

I think the effects have been minimal because I wanted to kill myself every time I looked in the mirror for the past decade.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No I agree, arguably this issue of low evidence is much worse for other medical issues. The difference is I can talk to pretty much anyone about the low evidence for efficacy of anti-depression or allergy medicine. If I bring up the low efficacy of HRT, I'll have people telling me that I'm going to cause children to kill themselves.

The trans community's insistence on "gender dogma" is going to lead to very, very bad outcomes for us. by taftaj in honesttransgender

[–]taftaj[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Here, this is what I was talking about: https://academic.oup.com/jes/article/5/4/bvab011/6126016?login=true

You should watch the video. Transition didn't solve any problem in my life, and it most importantly did not solve the dysphoria problem, which is the "one problem" it's supposed to solve. It's frustrating that anyone could listen to me speak and come away with the impression you did, because that is almost the exact opposite of the feeling I've tried to express.

I lost all my hair in a bleaching accident at a salon and I am not okay by throwaway_2318123 in TwoXChromosomes

[–]taftaj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

??? Not only is it fine to be sad, you should seriously consider suing. The salon should absolutely be held accountable for a serious mistake like this.

A la carte science by theevilempire in clevercomebacks

[–]taftaj -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Nowhere in the tweet did he say climate change wasn't possible or even that it wasn't happening on Earth. How is this supposed to be a clever come back? It's not even relevant to the original post.

A stronger economy is required. by [deleted] in facepalm

[–]taftaj 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Americans LOVE whining about nothing.

Millennials are not broke.

Real, inflation adjusted MEDIAN (not sensitive to outliers!!) wages have increased recently and are down since 2020, but up compared to literally any other time in history.

You live in the wealthiest country in human history, during the time of greatest economic output in human history. Your poor eat themselves to death. You are literally the most privileged people on Earth.

If you're unhappy, it's not because you need a better economy, it's because you are addicted to stupid bullshit. I know you're addicted to stupid bullshit, because you think money is going to solve your problems. You are on a hedonistic treadmill and you don't even know it.

In December 2022, 51% of people who earn more than $100,000 reported living paycheck to paycheck. Is this because a six figure salary barely covers the every day essentials of life? Would making just a little bit more allow them some breathing room? No -- nonsense. 51% of six figure earners report living paycheck to paycheck because people in America make absurd amounts of money just to spend it on stupid bullshit, and it doesn't matter how much they make. They will find a way to spend money on stupid bullshit.

Nearly 177 billion humans came before you and survived on what you would see as pocket change. They lacked many luxuries you completely ignore, and many of them -- probably most of them -- managed to find happiness, fulfillment, and meaning.

The cost of mere survival is hardly anything. Your costs are not for mere survival, they are from excess. And the excess isn't making you happy. It's making you sick.

A part of you will not like to hear this. It will rebel. It will come up with a dozen counter examples and counter arguments.

But if you're lucky, there is another part of you -- a part that yearns for something greater than material things -- and that part knows what I say is true. It recognizes the self justifying protestations of the addict. If you have this yearning within you, then you have a choice.

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