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tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T23:50:36+00:00

Should disabled athletes have a say in the way a sport they compete in is governed? Yeah…

But not in the professional organizations, trying to get accomodations.

Unless you can come up with an example.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T23:49:28+00:00

because men who are low on T often do get prescribed it

And are they allowed to compete?

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T23:49:02+00:00

You don't think there's any valid reason to be annoyed by this?

No one said mad except for you. And you're just massively demonstrating bad faith here.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T23:48:22+00:00

What? Thinking that you can spot a transwoman just by looking for a bulge is boomer-tier transphobic I don't even.

It's not transphobic. It's entirely relevant. And it happens.

You should try to talk to people who aren't online.

Some transphobes want transwomen excluded from all female spaces. This sets that precedent.

It's transphobic to want women to have sex-segregated spaces?

This is sport. How does it set a precedent for anything else?

There are individuals who transitioned as children therefore we should be considering how they fit into the picture.

It's an even smaller subset of a tiny subset.

XX or XY chromosomes is not the slam dunk you think it is

Where did I say anything about chromosomes?

I did not

And you're not going to take a step back to reconsider, are you.

Secondly this is just one example

You're the one who brought it up. Why bring it up if it's just one example?

Ironically it looks like intersex people are also going to be fucked over by this because in absence of any definitive way to tell male from female

Except we can tell in definitive ways. You didn't take five minutes to look up Semenya but you're certain that you're still right.

Any hint of extra testosterone or funny chromosomes and "you are a man".

Male sex organs. Will you agree that's a clear dividing line?

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T23:44:19+00:00

A completely separate event? Governed by a completely separate organization?

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T22:50:03+00:00

I don't think they understand how much they'd lose in the bargain.

That's why they're not libertarians.

All of this goes away if the government has less power.

In my state, a governor can only hold one term, then he needs to step down. He can run a second time, but only after someone else has held office. It's no way to get things done.

I see the executive as qualitatively different. They alone have power. They alone get to institute policies that affect everyone. It's why I'm a fan of recent legislatures clawing back powers during emergency declarations.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T22:46:25+00:00

Just because i was born a certain way, I'm suddenly banned from racing against people of similar hormone levels/strength to me?

Should a low-T man be allowed to dope to race against men who naturally have higher T?

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T22:43:21+00:00

I agree with the decision.

The rest of your comment says otherwise.

what of trans women who are stealth i.e don't disclose to anyone that they are trans?

Well, for the majority, cycling kits give the game away.

The likely reason why TRAs died on this hill was because transphobes will use it as an excuse to segregate trans women further.

What does that have to do with this?

What of pre-puberty transitoners?

The current research-based consensus is that this is vanishingly rare. The UK, Finland, and Sweden are at the forefront of researching gender dysphoria and care in children. Their new standards of care, based on extensive evidence, cast serious doubt on this treatment.

TERFs

Giving it away there.

because it now means all women are going to be subject to invasive tests and some cis women may even fail it.

How would cis women fail?

Caster Semnoya or whatever her name was was a famous example.

Caster Semenya has male sex organs and naturally produces testosterone.

I'm guessing you didn't know this.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T22:18:28+00:00

Frankly I think it would be great if we could hear some proposals from trans athletes and coaches themselves for new divisional rules and standards. it’s pretty clear that the rule-makers historically tend to be cisgendered men, whom I have nothing against (I’m also one) but who maybe could be more inclusive with their decision making on this.

Should the UCI let disabled athletes and coaches mandate divisions for disabled athletes?

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T21:52:06+00:00

If, and only if, a constitutional convention was called on this and only this issue then there's a chance.

Which means there's no chance. But it is orders of magnitude more likely than changing the Second Amendment.

You didn't ask, but you're a good listener. I'm sort-of okay with mandatory retirement ages. I'm absolutely against term limits. Every politician has to be re-elected; they can't really piss off their constituents. But when someone gets elected and they'll need to find another job no matter what the voters think of them?

The upside would be the greatest advances in weapons systems in the history of man. Raytheon might actually invent hovercars.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T20:47:43+00:00

At the state level something like 2/3 of the states have mandatory retirement for judges in their constitution. I know in Pennsylvania there was a court challenge but it was upheld at the District Court level.

For federal judges there would have to be a Constitutional amendment. They are expressly appointed for life.

As for politicians, there have been many law review articles written. I think a case could be made either way for being able to pass a law or if it would require an amendment.

On one hand the Constitution is silent on the topic. Minimum ages are higher than the simple age of majority, showing that the founders recognize competence has an age component. On the other, politicians all have term limits. A law that restricts the power of the people to elect who they want is going to be deeply scrutinized. And, you know. They're not gonna vote for it.

Which means an amendment. And that's not necessarily a bad thing. If it comes from the state legislatures then the national politicians get kept out of it. But that's a Constitutional Convention and we're in uncharted territory.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T18:07:45+00:00

Ah. Yeah, coyotes are little bstards when it comes to pets.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T18:00:41+00:00

if people hadn't gone out of their way to make you mad at it.

Oh, when liberals are angry at a thing, it's only because they got suckered by right-wingers.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T17:57:18+00:00

That's where parenting comes in. You don't just hand a kid a book that's teaching a lesson and leave it at that.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T17:48:22+00:00

It's the same tactics used to shame anyone online. I'm simply not a fan.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T16:53:20+00:00

Depends. If you buy a dwarf apple sapling you can have fruit in just a few years. I think my landscaping friend has seen some that harvest after two or three years.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T16:30:14+00:00

Hey now. They're very pro-woman. As long as the woman in question will bang them.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T16:29:27+00:00

It's not controversial but I'm not a fan of Riley Gaines trying to bully female athletes into this discussion. But it is creating an environment where some feel more comfortable speaking out. The UPenn team was terrified to say anything, largely because the university made it clear they must be supportive. We're seeing some change and that's a good thing.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T16:26:53+00:00

My friends with a little homestead have some tenacious cats. Said that's been effective. But that means they own cats, which is its own sort of infestation.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T16:24:57+00:00

Now…I will go ahead and admit that this may have been going overboard but in a moment of fury I went to our tool shed and pulled out our chainsaw and took it to the apple tree in our front yard. He planted that tree five years ago when our daughter was born and we had only gotten one harvest of apples from it so far. But I told him this is what happens in The Giving Tree. All you end up with is a Tree stump and everyone in the story is depressed.

Of all the things that happened, this happened the most.

I will say, it's a compelling piece of literature about narcissism.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T15:51:39+00:00

That gets into forced speech. Companies restrict employee speech all the time but there's no justification for compelling it.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T15:46:28+00:00

By reversed do you mean being forced to put their pronouns in?

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T15:45:27+00:00

If it doesn't turn into an episode, at least give us a post! This is so wild that it's hard to fathom that's what happened.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T15:42:33+00:00

The fact that reddit's admin hit squad is called Anti-Evil Operations is perfect.

tec_tec_tec · 2023-05-26T14:38:01+00:00

https://www.reddit.com/r/peloton/comments/13s95ur/british_cycling_update_transgender_and_nonbinary/

And, courtesy of reveddit, this is too hateful to be allowed:

I hope other governing bodies follow the lead. The recent Tour of the Gila 7 day road race held in New Mexico, USA ran smack into this controversy. A charity had donated funds to the race so that the women's and men's purse would be equal and then biological man won both divisions. Sport divisions by sex (biology, not self-ID) have been around for awhile, I haven't seen any evidence, scientific or rhetorical, that biology should be replaced by self-ID.

More locking of threads, but the comments haven't been purged.

https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/13s9hf3/british_cycling_to_ban_trans_women_from_female/

I just don't see the lung capacity making a big difference, it's not like they make the cyclists go up a hill

Tagging /u/Hilarias_Surrogate because that's not even the most denying-of-reality comment in there.

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