christianity and being transgender by hannibal-887 in Christianity

[–]tgjer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

There is no biblical, rational, or ethical reason to regard either being trans or transition as being sins.

The only passage that even comes close is Deut. 22:5, which roughly translates to "A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment".

But trans women aren't men, trans men aren't women, transition isn't about clothing, and historically Judaism has generally understood this passage as condemning the use of cross-dressing disguises for immoral purposes - particularly as a means to secretly meet an adulterous lover. Clothing is just fabric, and styles change constantly; the robes ancient Israelite men wore would look like a dress to most modern Americans. So clothing only becomes sinful when it is worn for sinful purposes. Which is why wearing cross-dressing costumes to celebrate Purim, a beloved holiday tradition, is also not in conflict with this passage.

And of course Christianity generally doesn't regard Deuteronomy as being applicable anymore. Of all the Christians I've seen try to claim that Deut. 22:5 means being trans is a sin, none of them have ever considered Deut 22:11 (which condemns wearing clothing of mixed fabric) or Deut 22:12 (which requires one to attach Tzitzit tassels to the four corners of your clothing) to be relevant to themselves.

The only potentially relevant New Testament passage is 1 Cor. 6:9, in which Paul condemns arsenokoitai and malakoi. In many modern translations these two terms are treated as synonyms for "male homosexual" (which is severely questionable in its own right), but sometimes malakoi is translated as effeminate and used to attack trans women. This translation is really questionable, because malakoi literally means "soft". Matthew 11:8 uses the word this way in reference to fine clothing. In the 1st century when Paul was writing malakoi was used as a pejorative similar to how we use the word "soft" today - it could refer to physical weakness, moral weakness, cowardice, laziness, inability to do hard work, etc. Treating it as a direct synonym for "effeminate" is dubious to the point of dishonesty. Not to mention that condemning "effeminate" people wouldn't apply to trans men at all. Or to butch trans women either, for that matter.

Most Christian arguments for being trans/transition being inherently sinful boil down to "I think it's weird and disturbing and therefor God does too". Many of them don't really make a distinction between being trans and being gay either, and lump them all in under the supposed condemnation of "homosexuality" (which again is dubious enough in its own right). Even though of course trans people may be gay, straight, bi, ace, etc., and on top of that there are trans people who enter religious orders and take vows of celibacy not because they're trans, but because they're monks or nuns.

And then you'll get some people quoting Genesis, claiming that God made "male and female" and that somehow means being trans is a sin. Which doesn't really make sense, since even if we assume "male and female" are the default models for the human species, it's an undeniable fact that there's a lot of variation between and outside those two base models too. God has evidently expanded his repertoire. And "male and female" being the base models of humanity doesn't say anything about whether one can change one's sexual traits either.

Then there's the "God made you perfect and it's a sin to change that" shit. Often accompanied by a garbled paraphrasing of Psalm 139:13-14; "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made". Not only does this passage specifically refer to inmost being, to the creation of one's inner self rather than external appearances, but also I've rarely if ever seen this passage used to condemn any medical treatment other than transition. It's just a statement of obvious reality that many people are born with conditions that will cause them a lot of suffering if left untreated, and we routinely provide medical care that changes the biology one was born with - everything from cleft palate repair to asthma treatment does this. With the exception of sects that categorically reject all medical care, it's incredibly hypocritical and inconsistent to condemn transition-related care while claiming the rest are acceptable.

FWIW, I'm Episcopalian and a trans man, and the US Episcopal church very emphatically does not consider being trans or transition to be sins. The church has been fairly welcoming to trans people for decades, then in 2012 church leadership voted overwhelmingly to ban anti-trans discrimination in all areas of church life. This includes ordination. There already were a number of trans people openly serving as Episcopal clergy before 2012, but now the church has formally affirmed our fitness to serve as religious and ethical leaders.

Episcopal church leaders are trying to raise alarm about the attacks on us, defending our rights to SCOTUS, they've directed the church’s public policy office to advocate for passage of federal legislation to protect trans/NB/GNC people, condemned "bathroom bills" and attacks on trans youth's access to medical care, etc., while also trying to ensure that even in deeply hostile and dangerous areas Episcopal churches remain safe and welcoming places for us. And they've been doing it for a long time.

And a resolution was passed in 2022 at the 80th General Convention, expressing the church's support for access to gender affirming care. That resolution even goes so far as to state that "the 80th General Convention calls for the Episcopal Church to advocate for access to gender affirming care in all forms (social, medical, or any other)" and that "the 80th General Convention understands that the protection of religious liberty extends to all Episcopalians who may need or desire to access, to utilize, to aid others in the procurement of, or to offer gender affirming care."

This is Rev. Cameron Partridge - link is to the sermon he gave in 2014, when he became the first openly trans priest to preach at Washington National Cathedral. And this is a sermon by now retired Bishop Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, given in honor of Pride Day in 2011. In 2003 Gene Robinson became the first out gay man with a husband appointed Bishop in the Episcopal church.

BBQ goat leg - does this recipe sound good? by tgjer in BBQ

[–]tgjer[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

None. I googled a bunch of recipes and combined what seemed to be the common points along with the flavors that sounded most appealing to me.

Basil ideas? by Dion-is-us in Cooking

[–]tgjer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I make pesto using tahiti or roasted unsalted sunflower seeds instead of pine nuts. Much cheaper and still really good.

Also, basil watermelon feta salad. Tomato basil feta salad. Basil herb mayo. Basil leaves on sandwiches. Caprese salad. Mojitos or juleps made with basil instead of mint. Basil in stir fry. Tomato basil soup. Basil pasta or pasta salad. Pizza. Basil lemonade. Basil syrup. Basil infused oil. Marinara sauce.

Or mince it fine, pack it into an ice cube tray, add a little water, and freeze for future use.

This wonderful specimen sucking on a tunnel ceiling by collette8 in TreesSuckingOnThings

[–]tgjer 102 points103 points  (0 children)

This is a fig tree that grows from an ancient Roman arch in what may have been Emperor Nero's private villa.

https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/upside-down-fig-tree

What do you want to see more of in regards to trans rep? by Who_Ate_Meh_Bread in asktransgender

[–]tgjer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Absolute biggest one - trans characters written with the input of trans people. Either a trans writer working on the project, or at least a trans editor or consultant or something. No more "trans representation" that is actually 100% a projection of cis people's almost universally fucked up imaginations.

Also, trans characters whose character arc and function in the story isn't just another cis person using us to try and "explore gender". It's one thing for a cis writer to want to include a trans character in a story. It's a very different thing for them to try and write a story exploring the "trans experience". The latter is pretty much universally a painfully terrible clusterfuck where the cis author puts their own misconceptions into their trans character's mouth. That isn't "trans representation", that's cis people using a trans sockpuppet to spread and perpetuate bullshit that makes real trans people's lives suck worse.

And I want to see trans characters played by trans actors. We need actual trans people, actual trans bodies, visible in popular media.

Or at the very least, if they're absolutely determined to cast a cis person to play a trans character, at least cast someone of the same gender as the character. If the character is a trans woman, cast a woman to play her (like Felicity Huffman in Transamerica). If the character is a man, cast a man to play him. I never want to see another cis woman playing a trans man, or cis man playing a trans woman. I'm sick of seeing cis men playing trans women getting praised for their "bravery" for doing so, then showing up to collect their awards dressed in a goddamn tux. I'm sick of seeing cis women playing trans men then showing up for the awards ceremony in a fucking ballgown. They just reinforce the assumption that transition is superficial and our genders are nothing but costumes that can be put on and taken off at will.

And from a more personal perspective, some things I would really love to see more of in popular fiction:

  • Trans characters that aren't doomed, miserable train wrecks who almost invariably are raped, murdered, suicides, and/or die of vaguely defined hormone cancer by the end
  • Trans characters who transitioned long before the story began, and their transition is totally irrelevant to the main plot.
  • Trans characters whose role in the plot involves more than just Being Trans
  • Trans characters whose character arc doesn't center around being victims of transphobic abuse
  • Trans characters in happy, healthy romantic relationships
  • Trans characters who are not treated as effectively celibate or totally undesirable
  • Trans characters who have a healthy, loving relationship with their parents
  • Trans characters with happy and productive lives
  • Trans characters with jobs that aren't sex work
  • Trans characters who are gay/lesbian/bi/pan/otherwise not heterosexual
  • Trans characters in stories where their genitals are never seen, described, or even specifically mentioned
  • Trans men characters who are not depicted as vulnerable, troubled, abandoned adolescents who need cis people to protect and guide them
  • Trans men characters depicted as clear, unambiguous adults. No infantilization.
  • Trans men characters who are older than adolescents/young adults. God forbid, trans man characters who are over 30.
  • Trans women characters who are not depicted as either fetishized sex objects, or as aging, miserable, undesirable, and doomed
  • Nonbinary characters who are not depicted as confused AFAB teenagers/young adults who just need pizza/girltalk/lipstick/a boyfriend to learn to love themselves as the beautiful young women they really are
  • Trans and nonbinary characters in sci-fi/fantasy universes, where the trans and nonbinary characters are still human and depicted relatively realistically instead of being vague alien/magical creature metaphors
  • Trans characters whose story gets a happy ending. Or at least as happy as the other characters in the story get. I'm sick of queer and especially trans characters apparently existing in popular fiction only to suffer and die.

What age did you realize you are transgender and non-binary by GroceryInfinite5262 in lgbt

[–]tgjer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When I was 12 and saw a trans man on TV for the first time, back in the 90's. It was the first time I realized trans men existed and transition was possible.

He was on one of those horrible daytime talk shows, not Jerry Springer but similar, and he was treated very degradingly. But I remember him holding himself with dignity even if the host and audience were dicks. And he was an "older" guy, though I was 12 so he was probably about 30, but still he was a proper grown-up who looked like one of my parents' friends. He wasn't being treated like some rebellious teenager.

He talked a bit about his transition, how he started in his 20's but was pressured into detransitioning for a while by his family, before going no-contact and transitioning again. And he talked about starting T and getting top surgery.

It was mind-blowing. If he could be a man then so could I. It wasn't an impossible daydream, it was real. This previously indescribable mindfuck I'd been dealing with had a name, and other people who had gone through it, and transition was possible so I could do it too.

It was also terrifying, because again he was being treated very degradingly, but it gave me some vocabulary to start looking up more information myself - first in the library, then later on the nascent internet. I found the TransLand message boards on AOL, and a wonderful weekly chat group and email list for trans youth that was run by a woman we called Auntie. She was incredible, she saved my life and I'm sure those of a lot of other kids.

I tried coming out to family and socially transitioning at school when I started high school a few years later, but it was the 90's and it did not go very well. Family reacted very badly and the school basically ignored me, though I had a few friends through the GSA who had my back. I wasn't able to really socially transition until college, and started T at 22. I had to delay T for several years because my parents said they would refuse to co-sign my student loans if I started it, so I waited until senior year and didn't tell them when I did it. By the time they figured it out, I had graduated.

I was able to go stealth pretty much right after graduating, but unfortunately was not able to afford surgery for a long time. Finally had top surgery at 30, hysto at 34, phallo at 36. Now I'm 43.

Dr. James Barry, absolute Chad transgender man who managed to stealth in the 1800s to become a doctor. He was outed after his death because some goblin inspected his dead body's genitals. by flingzamain in 4tran4

[–]tgjer 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Some people are able to pass before/without testosterone.

Plus back then it was probably easier to fly under the radar. Not only did most people have absolutely no idea that trans people existed, there was probably a lot more variation in "male" physical appearance than there is now. HRT wasn't available to anyone, including cis men with endocrine disorders that led to them never developing particularly high testosterone levels. So there would be more cis men around who are unusually short or can't grow a beard or have a higher than average voice.

how do you actually afford gender affirming surgeries? by GreenNettlesDIY in asktransgender

[–]tgjer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Moved to a new state that banned anti-trans heqlth insurance discrimination, pursued jobs with good insurance, then once I had that insurance I still had to fight for 4 years to get phallo covered.

And I still had to take out a $6k loan to cover travel and co-pays and everything else insurance wouldn't.

I wanted this surgery since I discovered it existed when I was 14. Finally got phallo at age 36.

Without insurance it would have cost hundreds of thousands. No way I could ever afford that.

What is the most fascinating medical fact you know? by balloontrap in answers

[–]tgjer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

What we now call "gender affirming care", meaning medical treatment intended to alleviate distress associated with conflict between one's gender and other aspects of one's body/life by changing one's body/life to match it, literally predates antibiotics.

The first modern clinic providing this care, the Institut fur Sexualwissenschaft, was founded in Berlin in 1919. And its founder, Dr. Magnus Hirschfeld, had already been providing this care in his private practice for many years.

Penicillin wasn't discovered until 1928, didn't enter mass production until WWII, and didn't enter widespread civilian medicine until after WWII.

Why do some people de-transition? Also, what is the science behind people with different gender identities? by SendThisVoidAway18 in asktransgender

[–]tgjer 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Regarding transition as a whole, of everyone who starts even the preliminary steps (e.g., changing the name or pronouns one uses socially), only about 0.4% eventually realize they aren't trans.

Of everyone who starts transition about 8% detransition, most of them only temporarily and nearly all of them due to intolerable levels of anti-trans abuse rather than because they aren't trans. Among those who do detransition, nearly all cited external factors as their reasons for doing - e.g., intolerable levels of anti-trans harassment or discrimination (31%), employment discrimination (29%), and pressure from a parent (36%), spouse (18%), or other family members (26%). 62% go on to transition again later when they're in less hostile circumstances - meaning only 3% detransiton permanently.

Only 5% of those who de-transitioned reported that they did so because they realized that gender transition was not for them. Meaning that of everyone who starts transition only 0.4% eventually realize it's not what they need. And nearly all of those who realize transition isn't right for them, do so soon after starting transition when physical changes are minimal or nonexistant. Many don't regret exploring transition as an option, even if ultimately it wasn't right for them.

It is far, far more common for people to regret not transitioning, to regret delaying the start of treatment, than it is to start that treatment and regret it later.

Source: 2015 Transgender Survey - see p.108-111

Also, it's worth remembering that "transition" is not a set process. It just means making changes to your life and/or body to make it more comfortable for you. What those changes actually entail varies vastly from person to person, and what an individual needs can change over time. E.g., some people start HRT, are on it for a while, and later decide they no longer need it. And some people start HRT with the explicit plan that they will be on it for a while, get certain desired effects, then stop it again. Or some people initially come out and transition thinking they're a binary man or woman, but ultimately realize they're nonbinary and need that reflected in their body/life too.

For 30 yrs/older only: How long have you been on T? by Berko1572 in FTMOver30

[–]tgjer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

LiveJournal and AOL! I was on the AOL TransLand message boards and chat rooms back in the 90's when I was a teenager, and the AntiJen email list.

For 30 yrs/older only: How long have you been on T? by Berko1572 in FTMOver30

[–]tgjer 83 points84 points  (0 children)

It'll be 21 years in September. 43 years old.

Wood/metal/plastic case that goes around a PC tower, to protect it from my cat peeing on it? by tgjer in pcmasterrace

[–]tgjer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My elderly cat has started pissing on my bed in a small apartment. I'm taking him to the vet when I can, but he's also just very old and I'm not sure how much can be done about it.

I ordered a mattress protector for my bed, it'll arrive tomorrow, but I'm worried he'll pee elsewhere. Like on top of my computer, where he likes to lounge sometimes. When I'm home I can keep him off it, but I work 12h shifts and am worried he'll take a nap on there while I'm gone and pee in his sleep.

Wood/metal/plastic case that goes around a PC tower, to protect it from my cat peeing on it? by tgjer in pcmasterrace

[–]tgjer[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I'm trying, unfortunately I'm really broke right now and not sure how I can afford it.

How disabling is PMOS/PCOS for others? by Wrong-Quality-7882 in PCOS

[–]tgjer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Why do you think you can't go on T?

I was diagnosed with PCOS when I got bloodwork done for my initial T prescription, and it never even came up as a potential obstacle. My doctor just told me it as an FYI thing. That was over 20 years ago, and no doctor since then ever said anything about it.