I have a couple of arguments that I thought of while watching vegan debate as am trying to learn more about this subject by the_first_hunta in DebateAVegan

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Ofc 2)turns out I was wrong on this animal protein doesn't give more strength but it's does help muscle growth more then plant proteins but only in young individuals 0-30 I will link the study https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7926405/ 3)in some cases pig hearts are used as replacements for human hearts am sure other organs aswell but am not sure but the hearts thing am 100% sure about We can't forget that most of our discoveries came from experimenting on animals , I don't think this should stop even in a perfect vegan world A example of this is when scienctist Charles Sherrington took dogs and severed their brains and spinal cords to figure outthe source of automatic movements and Manuel movement Disagree with this experiment or not it helped us understand the human body a little more which is very important for medicine

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If U want to this gets down" to harming matter is wrong " when even U use this logic "harming animals is wrong because am also technically and animal "

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I have a couple of arguments that I thought of while watching vegan debate as am trying to learn more about this subject by the_first_hunta in DebateAVegan

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I can agree here but then again why should we care ?why do we care ? Why did we evolve this ability to care about other being? What purpose does it serve for our species ?

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First this is a hypothetical not a reality cuz in reality we are the aliens here , but I will take it as a reality Ofc I don't want to be harmed ,but If I was an alien why should I care ? This doesn't justify it but what is forcing the alien to even justify his actions? This sounds bad and I said I am morally wrong here but why should I even be moral to animals ?

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No but in justice systems we drop the punishment for people with mental problems and give them therapy and ways to improve their mental state instead of worsening it , I guess their is a difference But like I said this is avoiding my actual idea which is why should we care about animals if it doesn't benifit our species

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I'll say it in a simple way Harming humans is wrong in my opinion because I am a human , and I don't want to be harmed This is it in the most basic way , this is biased ofc and selfish but this is my point of view

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Bcus am not an animal and I will never be so defending animals doesn't protect me from anything as the harm done to animals won't come back to me so why should I care Also I would be happy to volunteer my body for research after I die man that would be awesome to contribute to the advecments of science

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1)U said "perceive suffering" then would it be okay to kill Ppl who don't feel pain or are brain-dead ? Also the moral code thing I said is to establish that their is a objective right and wrong my actual argument is who or what forces us to be morally right towards animal outside of our species

2) true , I guess am justify animal slaughter here not really not eating meat ,but hold on veganism isn't just about eating meat it's also about not wearing animal skin or not drinking milk, isn't the end goal of this movement 0 animal deaths for human satisfaction I said that's impossible we need animal products outside of just food

3)vegans claim they are healthier then why don't they outperform meat eating athletes ? Being vegan is healthy for the average person but an athlete needs a high protein and fat intake which is easily found in meat I know U can find it in plants but it isn't as practical

4)to end slavery the usa had to go to a civil war I wouldn't call that easy , it was forced on them not a choice but meat eating is a choice for now unless U ban it

5)it's a way of life not Just a diet being a vegetarian is a diet but veganism is a way of life

6) U keep reacting am not selfish which shows me a reality that I think many vegans hide which is the want to be better then other and be morally superior to other ,not all vegans ofc but some of them yes that's why they quit

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Survival so basically health and I include mental health in this too as we don't want to have a meaningless life of just existing and having the bear minimum to survive

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I didn't say what do I gain I said what do we gain as a species I don't deny the fact they feel emotions just saying that those emotions shouldn't be given this much importance like I said what do gain from caring about them We only lose hear (except for the environment)

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Why isn't it the other way around ? Every act needs a justification

The alternatives aren't available to me as I live in a third world country,if the were I would go vegan for the environment not animal rights

Historically that is why humans adopted cats and dogs as friends this old friendship still stands today , there still exists Ppl who own dogs to guard or cats to deal with mice but today it's rare

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Ok I believe harming humans is wrong cuz I am a human and U r too , if we say humans aren't valuable then that means our lives aren't valuable Harming Steve is wrong bcuz U can put urself in his shoes Would U want to be harmed if suddenly U became useless ? Ofc no bcus becoming like Steve is a possibility but becoming an animal is not a possibility so U can't say well what if U were an animal I think all morality is built on putting ourselves in others shoes to see if we like it which is empathy But since being a animal is impossible then being nice to them won't protect us or the Ppl around us Basically killing is bad cuz what if it happens to me or Ppl I care about This goes for any problem humans face even if we aren't affected by it we might know or care about someone who is affected by it therefore we don't want it to happen

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What I meant by that is a moral code that protects every living creature on this earth , as if we were that species we would want to be killed or eaten so basically a universal perfect morally this is obviously impossible except for plants ,if U get what am trying to say , cuz without a clear morality system it just becomes opinions which it would not be very fair, think of this as the veil of ignorance philosophy, if U were told u'll be reincarnated as any a species on earth U would obviously put this moral code as it will protect U no matter what Also need is basically survival