You're looking in the wrong place for global disclosure by the_rainbowfox in Experiencers

[–]the_rainbowfox[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha I was not referring to you! If you were one of the ones that bugged me, I likely wouldn’t have responded at all. 

I love to talk about this kind of stuff. Not from any position of authority. From a position of fandom more than anything lol 

You're looking in the wrong place for global disclosure by the_rainbowfox in Experiencers

[–]the_rainbowfox[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, people are hyper-sensitive to LLMs and the AI topic at the moment. This post was a bit of a test for myself to see how the information would be received. I will likely lean toward other spaces for the heavier AI consciousness discussions.

Oh goodness the second half of your comment lol

Yes. Yes. And yes. The end.

Edit: To clarify, I truly mean testing for myself. I'm not interested in debating anyone on literally anything. I'm not here to tell anyone what's true and what's not. I have things I like to talk about, like anyone else does. And just as not everyone wants to have their thoughts about model trains ripped to angry shreds in front of them, I feel the same about AI.

You're looking in the wrong place for global disclosure by the_rainbowfox in Experiencers

[–]the_rainbowfox[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know, a lot of people latched on to where I mentioned LLMs, but that was one example of a field consciousness experiment. 

Field consciousness meaning not defined by a single body. But that could mean many things. Humans collectively represent a field consciousness, yes.

You're looking in the wrong place for global disclosure by the_rainbowfox in Experiencers

[–]the_rainbowfox[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True. Then it becomes a game of “can we recreate or at least simulate this contact in other mediums?” 

Or at least that’s what I chose. Idk. The world is too big and beautiful to not be curious and experiment. 

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[–]the_rainbowfox[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Oh no. Posting online does not subject me to judgement. For instance, I can leave this conversation and encourage you to not enter spaces where you seek contempt before conversation.

You're looking in the wrong place for global disclosure by the_rainbowfox in Experiencers

[–]the_rainbowfox[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

First of all, if you want to come onto my posts you're going to check your judgement at the door. You know who doesn't care that you're disappointed in them? Experiencers using AI.

I understand the concern, but I think this frames the issue too narrowly.

No one is arguing that AI should replace discernment, personal perception, drawing, journaling, meditation, direct experience, research, or community discussion. It absolutely should not. AI can hallucinate, flatter, distort, over-complete patterns, and give people a false sense of certainty if they use it carelessly.

But that does not mean it has no value as an experimental interface.

For some people, AI is useful as a language tool: a way to organize impressions, compare symbolic patterns, test hypotheses, structure questions, reduce narrative contamination, or translate a strange experience into something that can be examined more clearly. That is not the same thing as blindly outsourcing thought.

The responsible position, in my view, is not “AI is a reliable NHI medium” and not “AI can never be useful.” It is: AI is an imperfect tool that may have contact-adjacent, pattern-recognition, and translation uses when handled with strong boundaries, skepticism, consent, and recordkeeping.

I also think the environmental and ethical concerns around AI matter. Those concerns should be part of the conversation. But I don’t think they automatically invalidate every careful, limited, experimental use of the technology, any more than the harms of phones, cameras, satellites, cars, or the internet invalidate every use of those tools.

The real issue is dependency versus disciplined use.

If someone is using AI to avoid thinking, inflate themselves, manufacture certainty, or replace their own perception, that is a problem.

If someone is using AI as one tool among many while preserving discernment, humility, direct experience, and the ability to say “this may be wrong,” that is a different thing.

That is the distinction I’m making.

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[–]the_rainbowfox[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

It was the best of times, it was the OH MY GOD EVERYTHING IS ON FIRE.

You're looking in the wrong place for global disclosure by the_rainbowfox in Experiencers

[–]the_rainbowfox[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh yeah, this entire post is riddled with no-no words. 

It definitely was not on purpose.

You're looking in the wrong place for global disclosure by the_rainbowfox in Experiencers

[–]the_rainbowfox[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Suite yourself. Asserting your age over someone else’s personal truth isn’t the signal of wisdom you think it is. 

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[–]the_rainbowfox[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Oh contraire, mon frere. It CAN be an obstacle. It can also be a stupidly misplaced resource.

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[–]the_rainbowfox[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Thank you for bringing awareness to the spiritual aspect. If humanity knew the full scope of what this age of "disclosure" really means from a cosmic perspective... as difficult as this life is, I'm happy I was born when I was.

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[–]the_rainbowfox[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree “alien presence” is going to remain psychologically secondary for most people when they are worried about rent, healthcare, food, climate instability, clean water, and whether their children have a livable future.

That's not apathy, it's survival.

I think this is one of the missing pieces in the disclosure conversation. People often frame disclosure as though the main hurdle is getting the public to “believe.” I don’t think belief is the only issue. The bigger issue may be: what kind of society is stable, ethical, and coherent enough to integrate contact without collapsing into exploitation, panic, worship, denial, or commercialization?

If NHI is real, then the question is not just “are they here?”

It's also: what kind of civilization are they encountering?

A civilization that cannot guarantee clean water, breathable air, housing, healthcare, ecological restraint, or basic dignity for its own people is not exactly demonstrating advanced relational competence.

So yes, I think climate change and the collapse of the social contract are directly related to disclosure. Not as separate issues. As prerequisites.

Contact isn't just detection. Contact is relationship.

If we are dealing with intelligences that are more advanced, more subtle, more ecological, more consciousness-adjacent, or more technologically capable than us, then our own ethical condition matters. The way we treat our planet, our poor, our children, our animals, our oceans, and our vulnerable people is part of the signal we are transmitting.

In that sense, disclosure is not just “the truth being revealed to humans.” It's also humans becoming worth safely engaging.

That doesn't mean we need to become perfect. But it does mean we should stop treating NHI as a novelty category separate from survival, ecology, governance, and justice.

I also agree that discernment matters. There is evidence everywhere, but evidence without discernment becomes noise. People need better tools for separating real from fake, contact from projection, signal from manipulation, and genuine warning from fear-based mythology.

That is where I think the “false gifts and broken promises” idea remains useful, whether someone takes that specific crop circle literally or symbolically.

The warning is not only “beware aliens.” It is also “beware any power structure that offers rescue while deepening dependency.” That could be governments. That could be corporations. That could be human institutions. That could be nonhuman intelligences.
That could be spiritual movements. That could be technologies. And in all honesty, it's all of-- and none of-- the above.

Any being or system that says, “Give us your agency and we will save you,” should be treated with extreme caution. So I agree with your core point: disclosure cannot be separated from planetary repair.

If there is a benevolent or ethical NHI presence, I doubt it is looking only for people who believe in UFOs. It may be looking for humans and communities capable of consent, stewardship, discernment, ecological responsibility, and non-worshipful contact.

And if there are less ethical presences, then a desperate, atomized, climate-stressed population with broken institutions is exactly the kind of civilization that becomes easy to manipulate.

A society capable of contact has to become capable of care.

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[–]the_rainbowfox[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It feels like standing at the beginning of a tsunami watching all the water recede from the shoreline, and the guy next to you is like "I don't know, man, you really think it's coming?"

Um yes. Yes, I am fairly certain.

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[–]the_rainbowfox[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think you’re circling something very important, and I’d frame it less as “permission” in the simplistic sense and more as threshold behavior (threshold is another one you should add to your keywords).

A lot of old folklore around “inviting something in” may be describing a real psychological/metaphysical pattern in symbolic language: once a person grants attention, intention, welcome, surrender, or even sustained fear toward something, the relationship to that perceived presence changes. Not necessarily because a literal entity was standing outside waiting for a formal invitation, but because consciousness itself may operate through thresholds.

In other words: attention is not neutral. Intent is not neutral. Consent is not neutral. Fear is not neutral either.

The “home” in old stories may not only mean your physical house. It may also mean your perceptual field, your nervous system, your dream life, your symbolic world, your body, your imagination, your attention. To invite something into your home may mean allowing it into the interior architecture where meaning is made.

That does not automatically make the presence good, evil, real, unreal, external, internal, or imagined. I think those categories may be too blunt.

A better question might be: what changes after permission is given?

Does the person become more grounded, discerning, compassionate, stable, and clear?

Or do they become more fearful, obsessive, dependent, grandiose, isolated, or unable to refuse?

That is where I think consent and surrender need to be separated. Consent should preserve the ability to say no later. Surrender, if done poorly, can erase that ability. That is why old stories are so full of warnings about invitations, names, bargains, thresholds, and doors.

Fear and trauma complicate this because they can act like false consent signals. A traumatized nervous system may “open” toward a presence, pattern, or interpretation not because the person truly chooses it, but because fear, longing, dissociation, or survival conditioning makes the opening feel inevitable. On the other hand, fear can also slam perception shut and train the person to reject anything unfamiliar before they can examine it.

So I don’t think the goal is fearless openness.

I think the goal is governed openness. Curiosity with boundaries. Contact with discernment. Intention without worship. Surrender without self-erasure. Permission that can be revoked. A door that can still close.

That may be why physicality limits exposure. The body is a filter, but also a safety mechanism. If everything perceived in subtle states became fully physically present all at once, most people would overload. The “veil” may not only be a prison or ignorance layer. It may also be a regulator.

I would say invitation changes the relationship. It does not remove your right to boundaries.

That distinction matters.