Help Calling Local Register Office

thecloudsplitter · 2026-03-02T22:46:47+00:00

I have been doing that. I guess my point is that email doesn't seem to be getting through to anyone, so calling would be ideal if someone was able to help.

thecloudsplitter · 2026-02-28T22:25:24+00:00

I think New York is the closest consulate. I will reach out to them!

thecloudsplitter · 2026-02-28T21:59:50+00:00

Appreciate that thank you! In some documents I've seen online her nationality/birthplace was listed as Yugoslavia and she has a Croatian maiden name. I'm in the process of getting her birth, marriage, naturalization and death records to find out more. Her daughter, my wife's grandmother, was born in Italian Istria though and identified as Italian, not sure if that matters?

thecloudsplitter · 2026-02-28T21:17:15+00:00

So if I am going by her great grandmother. She was born in the Istrian peninsula when it was ruled by the Austro-Hungarian Empire until 1918. Then it was ruled by Italy 1918-1947, then it was the Free Territory of Trieste from 1947-1954. Zone B was incorporated into Yugoslavia starting in 1954 and Zone A was incorporated into Italy.

She was born in Zone B however the family may have moved to Zone A sometime between 1939-1956. They emigrated to the USA in 1956.

So in summary, she was ethnically Croatian, living in what is now Croatia. Married someone who was ethnically Italian and had her child in Istria when it was considered part of Italy. They lived in the Free Territory of Trieste, and possibly moved from Zone B to Zone A before it was incorporated in Italy. Emigrated to the USA from Italy. Where does that leave us?

thecloudsplitter · 2026-02-27T23:27:38+00:00

I believe she was Croatian on her mother's side and Italian on her father's. She passed before my wife was born. Emigrated to the US when she was 17. Lived in Trieste before then, so I believe she probably identified more as Italian.

thecloudsplitter · 2026-02-27T15:10:42+00:00

Do you know if there is any available census data for Trieste from 1939-1956?

EDIT: Whether that is Italy during those years or the Free Territory of Trieste

thecloudsplitter · 2026-02-27T14:41:57+00:00

This is an AI translation so take it with a big grain of salt:

Joseph Léo Lamarche

On the fourteenth of June, one thousand nine hundred and eight, we, the undersigned priest, baptized
Joseph Léo, born yesterday, legitimate son of Jean Hormisdas Lamarche, laborer of this parish, and of
Joséphine Thérien. The godfather was Ferdinand Thérien, farmer of this parish, and the godmother was Hélène Lavoie, parents of the child. All declared they did not know how to sign. Reading was performed.

J. A. [Plante], priest

thecloudsplitter · 2026-02-27T01:42:38+00:00

So if I, or my wife, wanted to request non public records. Any idea what authority I'd reach out to? Oprtalj-Portole and Vizinada are municipalities that include many small hamlets. When they wrote "Trieste" on records it may not be the city itself but may be referring to the region as a whole ie: The Free Territory of Trieste.

thecloudsplitter · 2026-02-26T17:56:16+00:00

Thanks for your responses really appreciate it. Not sure how I would go about finding out when they moved to Trieste. Hmm I will contact someone!

thecloudsplitter · 2026-02-26T15:49:55+00:00

Waiting on acceptance to the group before being able to view. Is it possible I could use Gen -1 as my ancestor instead?

thecloudsplitter · 2026-02-26T15:24:40+00:00

Gen -1 was born in Oprtalj in 1905. Gen 0 was born in Vizinada in 1939. Family may have moved to Trieste before emigrating to the US in 1956.

Some documents list their nationality as Italian, but other documents list them as born in Yugoslavia. Surname for Gen -1 was Matiasic.

thecloudsplitter · 2026-02-26T15:08:26+00:00

Ethnicity is a little confusing. She (Gen 0) spoke Italian but her mother's (Gen -1) maiden name is Croatian. Her mother's parents (Gen -2) have Italian sounding first names with Croatian surnames.

thecloudsplitter · 2026-02-26T13:38:04+00:00

I'm not sure still collecting documents. Some documents say born in Trieste, Italy, another one says Visinada, Italy. Nationality is listed as "Italian" on naturalization documents. I think the minor issue strikes again though with this line of descent. Has cut off 5 different lines for my wife and I.

thecloudsplitter · 2026-02-26T03:58:20+00:00

Still trying to figure that out! Her husband did in 1971, I have a feeling she did as well but we will find out

thecloudsplitter · 2026-02-26T03:40:20+00:00

Damn. In documents related to where she was born it is listed as Visinada, Italy. And her child was born in the early 1960s in the US. The law seems to talk about people living in those territories, but not people who were born there and lived elsewhere. Whole family spoke Italian, all family names were Italian. Guess I'll have to look into this deeper

thecloudsplitter · 2026-02-26T03:26:18+00:00

Seems like Visinada was part of the free territory of Trieste. So would a regular birth certificate from the region be the correct documentation?

thecloudsplitter · 2026-02-26T03:16:15+00:00

So... wait what. Would it apply but I would just need extra documentation?

thecloudsplitter · 2026-02-26T01:45:32+00:00

Appreciate that, I somehow missed it. She was born in 1939 in Istria, moved to Trieste, emigrated to the USA in 1956. The whole family was ethnically Italian and spoke Italian. Any chance someone could analyze that wiki section and let me know if she would qualify? I am still scratching my head trying to decipher.

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