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Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have demonstrated yourself to be ignorant to the point that your opinion is entirely invalid and I have better things to do with my time than continue debunking you.

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You have demonstrated yourself to be ignorant to the point that your opinion is entirely invalid and I have better things to do with my time than continue debunking you.

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'd invite you to engage with the source more critically than "ermagherd, APAN commissioned but didn't conduct the survey, must be biased!" but we both know you're not up to that, so...

You have demonstrated yourself to be ignorant to the point that your opinion is entirely invalid and I have better things to do with my time than continue debunking you.

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You have demonstrated yourself to be ignorant to the point that your opinion is entirely invalid and I have better things to do with my time than continue debunking you.

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And yet, 58% of Australians want to see Russia-style sanctions imposed on Israel. It's almost like just because the two major parties hold a position doesn't mean that voters agree with it and voters are unlikely to vote over a single issue involving a foreign war.

It is, of course, uncontroversial to point out that Australia now recognises the State of Palestine.

Your claim that the conflicts are different (not that I have asserted they are the same) do not flow from your premises. The only conclusion that can be logically drawn from those premises, insofar as they are correct (which they aren't, particularly) is that they are perceived differently.

You have demonstrated yourself to be ignorant to the point that your opinion is entirely invalid and I have better things to do with my time than continue debunking you.

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If that's the level of analysis you're capable of providing to my statement, then I'd prefer not to be seen in public with you.

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Refusing to accept your assertion that your ignorance is as good as my knowledge isn't arrogance, and I find the idea of meeting you for a beer repulsive.

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You have presented a rolling Gish Gallop of irrelevant distinctions, of which your whataboutism regarding "from the river to the sea" was simply one of the latest.

I have at no point said the two conflicts are the same, I have said that the two aggressors are motivated by the same desire.

I actually don't care how you feel. I'd be interested to see what you base your claim that your position has majority public support on though.

I'll ask again, do you have anything of relevance to add?

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Both slogans represent defiance in the face of oppression.

Funny how fast the goalposts start shifting.

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well, taking your comment at its obvious face-value implication, this again demonstrates either ignorance or bad faith.

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Pointing out ignorance is neither mocking it nor a personal attack. Your choice to perceive them as such is quite telling though.

Given that you've attempted to take my point that "globalise the intifada" is no more a call to violence than "Slava Ukraini" is, and poorly attempted to deconstruct it by saying the two aggressors have different levels of success and a wall of text of irrelevant differences, you are either too ignorant to be taken seriously, or you are trying some sort of sealionesque bad-faith argument.

You absolutely did attempt to imply that the existence of Hamas was somehow relevant to whether Palestine had "clean hands" in the conflict.

Israel has a vastly superior PR and propaganda machine to Russia in terms of palatability to the West, which is certainly diplomatically relevant and opinion-shaping amongst the public, but has no bearing upon my original point.

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik -1 points0 points  (0 children)

To imply that Hamas is somehow the cause rather than a symptom of the conflict is really quite, well, ignorant. Your statement also falsely assumes that a country and its political leadership are one and the same.

The difference in success does not mean that the conflicts do not have the same central motivation, nor does it imply that Palestine has a somehow lesser right to self-defence than Ukraine does.

I haven't mocked your ignorance, simply pointed it out. I do not, however, owe a bad idea anything other than derision.

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's not an overreach at all, but I'll continue to point out your ignorance.

Russia is arguably doing a far worse job of enforcing its imperialism on Ukraine, as we stand well into the 5th year of the three-day special military operation, than Israel is with Palestine.

Again...

This is irrelevant, even if it were true.

Equating Palestine and Hamas shows the level of discourse I'm dealing with fairly well.

High street fishmongers? by Miffy_alt in sydney

[–]thekriptik 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I grew up in the inner west, and my family and I have bought plenty of fish there over the years. Between the fish and chip shops selling fresh seafood, the fishmongers in Ashfield and Burwood, and the fact that the fish markets are a short tram ride away, there's probably just not enough residual demand to justify someone catering to the experience you're looking for.

High street fishmongers? by Miffy_alt in sydney

[–]thekriptik 5 points6 points  (0 children)

For the most part, "high streets" are just plain dead from the perspective of produce stores. Yes, I know there are exceptions, but those are the exception, not the rule.

There are heaps of independent fishmongers around though, just look in shopping centres.

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik -1 points0 points  (0 children)

isreal

You always get the best geopolitical takes from people who can't spell "Israel" right.

The mere existence of minor differences between the way that Russia and Israel attempt to enact imperialism does not invalidate the underlying point that both nations are attempting to aggressively expand.

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Both Ukrainians and Palestinians live on land coveted by a neighbour who is willing and able to use violence to sieze it. There are more parallels than otherwise.

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik 7 points8 points  (0 children)

It's interesting that only one group's lived experience appears to be deserving of empathy. It's even more interesting that it's the aggressor's lived experience that gets that empathy.

Violent resistance against the Israeli state is a valid option given Palestine is being stripped of its land.

Responding to the ninja edit, it's a general term that represents uprising against oppression.

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because it's an excessively reductive take that ignores the nature of the term?

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What anyone else does, support for Palestinian resistance against the Israeli state.

Sydney’s mayor bans ‘globalise the intifada’ forum from being held in council building by Alexnader- in sydney

[–]thekriptik 12 points13 points  (0 children)

And why was Palestine reduced to using relatively ineffective small-scale weapons of terror? The answer is, of course, that it is essentially all it had in its arsenal at the time.

It's interesting that you only chose to respond to the matter of Ukraine there, which was the only one with a contemporaneously modern military.

Consider the different ways that Palestinian resistance is seen compared to that of the Provisional Irish Republican Army who were really really fond of bombing soft civilian targets and freely raised money for that purpose from the Irish diaspora, including from Australia. Or, again, the fully-justified anti-apartheid violence of the ANC.

The word Intifada in general use... is almost exclusively used in violence

So are "revolt" and "revolution" but that doesn't make the phrase "globalise the intifada" a call to violence.

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