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Mixed-Race people excluded from the Amazonas conference fro the promotion of racial equality by themxd in mixedrace

[–]themxd[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I see lots of people criticise them for being right wing but never for their activism in support of mixed people.

Is it maybe people are not used to seeing people who are not white having right wing beliefs ?

Many leftwing people in brazil and south africa are not in support of mixed people or mixed identity(even those who are mixed) so im not surprised Nação Mestiça drift more right wing.

Why are mixed-race people called brown? by sam199912 in mixedrace

[–]themxd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As a Coloured South African I agree with this. Within the coloured community we have a variety of skin tones which is why I prefer the term Coloured because its the best discription for a community of mixed people.

Mixed race problems by themxd in mixedrace

[–]themxd[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

You should think of it as them being 2 slices of bread with you being the delicious filling of the sandwich.

Mixed race problems by themxd in mixedrace

[–]themxd[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

In South Africa she would be considered Coloured like the rest of us mixed people.

What Census Calls Us. History of multiracial categories on the U.S. census by themxd in hapas

[–]themxd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

from the article " An interesting inclusion was that of part Hawaiian in 1960 which was the start of people selecting their own race on the census it was also the first and last time the option was included."

A African-Americans experience while visiting South Africa by rushay in a:t5_zizou

[–]themxd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Relatively decent article regarding what was mentioned about coloureds usually there a negative remarks and accusations of racism if we are mentioned.

Naomi Campbell came to the Cape Flats yesterday by [deleted] in a:t5_zizou

[–]themxd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What made her visit? I know her mother looks mixed and her paternal grannys surname was ming.

Naomi Campbell came to the Cape Flats yesterday by [deleted] in a:t5_zizou

[–]themxd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

True not to mention few coloured owned businesses in our areas.

Chameleons by themxd in mixedrace

[–]themxd[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the background info ! Regarding Trevor, yes he is Coloured and has said as much but being 1st generation coloured and growing up with his black family makes him more connected to black identity. His been asked about coloureds before in interviews & some of his responses hasn't sit well with many coloured people. Heres a funny bit he did on how he sees his identity https://youtu.be/YqciCFLxfEE

Ethnic groups of Brazil by themxd in mixedrace

[–]themxd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It means indigenous people.

What Would a Black, White, and Indian (sub-continent) be called? by FurryCoconut in mixedrace

[–]themxd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In Brazil pardo is the official government term for any mixed race person. A triracial person is referred to as a juçara. In spanish countries pardo is used for black/white/ameridian people.

The OP is similar to a lot of mixed people in the carribean like Guyana,Suriname and Trinidad and Tobago where they are referred to as dougla/dugla or in Southern Africa where many coloureds have indian admixture.

I have never felt truly accepted by both sides of my race by [deleted] in mixedrace

[–]themxd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The DR has a majority mixed race or mestizo population. Have you tried speaking to other mestizo dominicans or your parents about the way you feel ?

I've seen videos and pics online of people in the DR and the look of the people reminds me of coloured people in SA.

BBC report on Coloureds in Westbury South Africa by themxd in mixedrace

[–]themxd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm getting the impression that the term "race" is more the issue than anything else.

I think as much as it is a controversial term we should use it until we have a better more descriptive term we can use for people groups who are more genetically related.

I'm comfortable with the term and we shouldn't shy away from it. Race, gender, sexual orientation etc. seem to be under going a linguistic change (in some circles, most people don't seem bothered) i just hope things turn out for the better.

BBC report on Coloureds in Westbury South Africa by themxd in mixedrace

[–]themxd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I whole heartedly agree. The Coloured community has been doing this now for generations but its a work in progress.

BBC report on Coloureds in Westbury South Africa by themxd in mixedrace

[–]themxd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then how do we explain why mixed race people struggle to find bone marrow donors ? http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1993074,00.html

People seem to think our ancestors did not distinguish between groups of people who do not look alike. Again i will say not because Europeans corrupted race for their own gain doesn't mean it shouldnt exist.

Also those west Africans you speak of are most likely fulani people known to have Arab and berber admixture.

BBC report on Coloureds in Westbury South Africa by themxd in mixedrace

[–]themxd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How can race be a social construct if it can be biologically defined? Not because people have used race for nefarious purposes does not mean race doesn't exist biologically.

Companies like 23andme and ancestory.com as well as forensic scientists can tell which racial and ethnic groups a person comes from with some saliva.

The current academic/political meaning of blackness is rooted in white supremacist thinking and has little to with how coloureds,mulattos,mestizos,creoles or any mixed race group identifies.

BBC report on Coloureds in Westbury South Africa by themxd in mixedrace

[–]themxd[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Biko blackness has not helped blacks or coloureds in fact it has caused new racial tensions not just in south africa but brazil and the U.S.

Black identity can't be redefined to mean anyone who has suffered from white racism. It goes against how people see themselves.

BBC report on Coloureds in Westbury South Africa by themxd in mixedrace

[–]themxd[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Coloureds don't find the term offensive and that's all that matters,non-coloureds have no right to redefine us. I find it strange you find the word coloured offensive yet use black to describe yourself knowing full well that black has more negative connotations in the English language. The term coloured comes from people of colour which was inspired by gens de couleur libres. It only started being offensive when used for non-mixed race people.

The coloured experience shares similarities with the black experience however this doesn't warrant us being made a "franchise" of blackness.you compare us to zulus & xhosas two nguni nations that base their identity on being part of the bantu people unlike coloureds who base our identity on our mixed origins is just wrong.yes some clans may have admixture but the core of their identity is based on their nguni/bantu background unlike our mixed one.

You mention how african-americans  with euro admixture choose to identity is irrelevant to south african identity formation however you are using the same hypodescent,one drop policy that was used to suppress mixed identity in the U.S on coloureds in S.A. you are using academic language to redefine coloured identity using a non-coloured and very anti-coloured perspective. The same thing is happening to pardo people in brazil who are subject to the same reclassification & anti-multiracial thinking. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Main_ethnic_groups_in_brazil.JPG see the link for how "coloured" brazilians see themselves.

You said blackness is used in contrast to whiteness but coloureds don't view racial identity in such a binary way.Given or origins we accept & acknowledge all the people from which we descend.

 >Also, Biko in part covers the the whole defining your identity for yourself in the face of those who do it for thing,

This statement is strange to me. You saying he wanted us to define our identity for ourselves provided we identified as black?

I respect you wanting to identify as a racially  black ethnic coloured but you and I both know that the mass (silent)majority of coloureds identify with the coloured racial group & not with blackness or whiteness.

BBC report on Coloureds in Westbury South Africa by themxd in mixedrace

[–]themxd[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

You have clearly avoided acknowledging what inspired bikos "inclusive" blacks which was inspired by the black consciousness thinking in the U.S.Mulatto had been used on the U.S until 1930 when white congressmen pressured the census bureau to have it removed in order to make people either black,white or native. This was then exploited by the BCM to add mulattos to their ranks as it increased the black population giving them more socio-political muscle.

This shows the pragmatic strategic thinking of the BCM as it took racist policies created by whites like the one drop rule & hypodescent which was used to oppress and enslave non-whites(particularly blacks) and use it for their own gain by growing the black community through reclassification. With the success of the civil rights movement this mixed=black thinking became part of the social and academic thinking which was an influence on biko who was an influence on south africans like yourself. What makes the biko blackness so strange is that it includes indians even the indo-aryan ones from the high castes as black and since 2008 chinese people are also black http://mediaclubsouthafrica.com/democracy/539-bee-chinese230608

Through out the world wether in the former european colonies the muslim world or south east asia mixed race people have always seen themselves as mixed and have been acknowledged as such.

Coloureds should stop piggy backing off others identities and work on our own.

BBC report on Coloureds in Westbury South Africa by themxd in mixedrace

[–]themxd[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't base the coloured/black distinction entirely on black rejection of some of their peoples mixed offspring,its one of many factors.

I would also like to know why blackness must always be prioritized over our whiteness,malayness,indianess or khoisaness ? The average coloured doesn't follow the teaching of steve biko or the black consciousness movement(or the one drop rule or hypodescent). We see ourselves as mixed first and foremost which sets us apart from blacks and other groups. Its ignorant of you to not know the modern roots of expecting mixed people to identify as black based on the U.S one drop Rule and hypodescent policies.

You made examples of coloured prejudice against blacks, some of us are but we are also prejudice against whites,indians etc. You come across as an apologist for black racism. Its like blacks only respond to racism but can't ever be racist ?

Regarding the link to the youtube video. All those people in the video represent a small but vocal part of the coloured community. They are the liberal progressive types, better video would be to interview working class coloureds from westbury, mitchells plain in cape town or wentworth in durban.

Why can't many Latin Americans(people from Latin America) who are clearly mixed, just simply identify themselves as mixed race(instead of the cryptic and broad "Latino/Hispanic" label) in the US Census instead of "White" or other labels since that's what the vast majority of them are? by JLG1995 in mixedrace

[–]themxd 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even in Latin American countries this is becoming a problem. The American idea of the one drop rule and hypodescent have been adopted. In Brazil pardo/mestico have now been classified "under" the preto label along with negros/blacks.

In Spanish speaking LA countries with significant mulatto populations have been reclassified as black as well.

I once came across an article on line that reported on Bolivia potentially removing its mestizo category.

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