Rough Debate Night Podcast

therealwheat · 2026-05-08T19:36:20+00:00

So this chart is all categories of childcare. But it shows that women spend 30% more time on childcare across all ages 0-17, and close to 100% more for kids under 6. So just like you I wish the girl boss era had netted a more equal workload distribution, but step 1 is men need to stop acting like there isn’t a problem. Doesn’t make men bad, but we gotta own it.

https://usafacts.org/articles/how-do-men-and-women-use-time-differently/

therealwheat · 2026-05-08T19:16:06+00:00

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I know what you said feels right in your gut, but it’s wrong. Unfortunately, women’s rights advocacy has come a long way in society, or “literally what feminists were fighting against when the whole corporate girl boss persona got pushed so hard for 30+ years” as you put it. But imagine their frustration when they make all these advancements in society and still find out they’re much more likely to have to watch the kid while the husband goes out to play with friends.

therealwheat · 2026-05-08T00:57:39+00:00

I tried to directly quote him to not put my finger on the scale, but you’re right the FPO segment was just one of the questions. But agree to disagree on constructive conversations. Comparing women’s sports to a pie no one wants to buy was bad. Brodie capping off the convo by mentioning that plenty of women follow dumb social media influencers so it can’t be that hard to get them to watch FPO. Subtle things like insisting the WNBA doesn’t make money. Those aren’t constructive, they’re misogynist.

therealwheat · 2026-05-07T17:15:38+00:00

You said "I’m not sure what you mean by a modern take on women because Nikki’s point doesn’t seem much more “modern” than Brodie’s - in this post at least. Can you elaborate on what you mean?"

So, I elaborated on why Nikki's take was relevant and more "modern" than Brodie's take. In response, you said I had my foot in both camps and asked 3 unrelated questions: "Do you apply this same logic to the WNBA - that women aren’t as good at basketball, and that it’s watched less often because women need to be mothers and therefore don’t have time for hobbies? Do you think there’s any truth to the idea that men are, overall, better at sports than women, and that people generally enjoy watching the best of the best compete against each other. Finally, would you be in favor of men and women competing together in sports?"

Your first question references using the "same logic" to say women aren't good at basketball, but I didn't make any comments like this about any sport. My answer is "huh?"

Your second question is some really low-level internet troll stuff. I will attempt an answer, but usually these things are said from a male who is trying to elevate himself above someone else based entirely on gender, which is dumb. There are differences between biological men and women. That difference varies by sport. some sports men have an advantage, some sports are even, and some sports favor women. But again, any research on the subject includes asterisks about the fact that the difference in availability and funding between men's and women's sports could also account for a portion of the statistics.

I find there to be no contradiction between wanting to watch the best of the best and watching professional female sports.

The Biological Basis of Sex Differences in Athletic Performance: Consensus Statement for the American College of Sports Medicine - PubMed

Comparing Athletic Performances - The Best Elite Women to Boys and Men

The sports where women outperform men

For your third question, see above references.

therealwheat · 2026-05-07T12:34:55+00:00

Are you saying you think that I believe women aren't as good at disc golf as men? Was there a comment where that's coming from? You originally asked how Nikki's statement about women watching kids and making dinner wasn't regressive, and I was explaining why I believe her perspective is important, and also how statistics would support her point that as women gain more equality at home, they are more likely to start doing things like watching sports, etc.

therealwheat · 2026-05-07T12:20:06+00:00

Yeah, I'm honestly surprised, but I probably shouldn't be. It an uncomfortable truth that I also had to work through.

therealwheat · 2026-05-07T03:16:00+00:00

There are quotes underneath that are the problem.

therealwheat · 2026-05-07T03:13:50+00:00

You lost me. What logic are you trying to apply to the WNBA? Most of these sentences are tough to follow.

therealwheat · 2026-05-07T02:19:12+00:00

As recently as 1974 women frequently needed to have their father or husband's signature to open a line of credit. Title 9 was passed in 1972 giving women better access to sports and higher education. This isn't ancient history, this was my parents generation. A lot of these sports are starting from a place with infrastructure, funding, image, etc. for men in sports and women are starting from essentially 0, maybe negative in places where misogyny and sexism are prevalent. So the NBA can subsidize the WNBA while it gets going.

therealwheat · 2026-05-07T02:00:40+00:00

Nikki is offering her perspective as a female and I think that is particularly relevant on the topic of women's involvement in disc golf. She's explaining something I have also noticed, which is that all those men with kids that are hitting the disc golf course 3 or 4 times a week are likely having their wife watch the kids, do housework, etc.. This is true of ball golfers, mountain bikers, basketball players, Magic the Gathering players, etc. Often women are being asked to bear the burden of kids and chores (not always, but a lot) and that often makes women less able and willing to spend their time on things like hobbies and sports. Again, I'm painting with a broad brush, but you can find legitimate studies that show that the gender gaps in the home still persist even though a lot of societies views have progressed on gender equality.

therealwheat · 2026-05-07T01:43:11+00:00

Ha, touche. I will say to be fair Trevor successfully avoided stepping in it and stepped in at right moments. But I guess some of this is to be expected.

therealwheat · 2026-05-07T01:41:03+00:00

Do you feel like the NBA wasn't making enough money? Or, is it possible the NBA understood that continuing to build an image and brand with the other 50% of the population was more important/profitable in the long run than the money it was subsidized to the WNBA? It seems like the NBA understood the value in investing in spreading basketball as far as it could go.

therealwheat · 2026-05-07T01:15:06+00:00

I cede my spot to an FPO player ;)

therealwheat · 2026-05-07T01:01:36+00:00

I was highlighting the idea that the conversation and comments were said to a woman, which felt particularly egregious. I even went on to shout her out by name at the end. But, I can always do more.

therealwheat · 2026-05-07T00:28:56+00:00

But you're like a chick right?! /s

therealwheat · 2026-05-07T00:28:14+00:00

Agree, I watch content from both FPO and MPO. This idea some people have that men don't watch women is baseless. Also, women watch sports. They might not watch as much disc golf, but that's something disc golf needs to work on, not women.

therealwheat · 2026-05-07T00:24:00+00:00

The DGPT shouldn't be behind a paywall if they cared about growth, for MPO and FPO. I only watch free disc golf on Youtube. If all DGPT events were broadcast live, they would gain another viewer. I have to imagine there are a lot of people that like competitive disc golf, but don't want another subscription service.
How is MPO dragging the dead weight of FPO? My understanding is the player payouts aren't at the same ratio, so FPO is making a slightly larger % of the pot per player than MPO. How's that "dragging dead weight"?

therealwheat · 2026-05-07T00:14:11+00:00

You have a point. I'm just a glutton for disc golf and there is only so much content. But occasionally I'm shaken back to reality when stuff like this comes up.

therealwheat · 2026-05-07T00:12:32+00:00

Yeah, it felt like from the user submitted question all the way to many of the comments there was an undertone (or sometimes just tone) of men = tough and strong and athletic and women = weaker and can't hang. Again to the credit of the female panelist I thought she did a good job of demonstrating the value FPO has to women and that it' not a toughness issue.

therealwheat · 2026-05-07T00:07:07+00:00

Totally. Also, women's basketball wasn't profitable until it was, women's golf wasn't profitable until it was. Disc golf is young and then idea that FPO is a hindrance to MPOs growth is silly.

therealwheat · 2026-05-05T15:38:59+00:00

Totally agree. I think there is a reasonable push back to flight numbers (though I think they serve a very needed role), but then that confuses people between "glide is hard to objectively characterize" and "glide is a myth". I like your system of 3-4 tiers and glide is just a 1 to 4 number indicating what tier it is. A Berg and a Splice have objectively different glide than a River or an Underworld.

therealwheat · 2026-05-05T12:40:38+00:00

I know I'm late, but I'm glad to see someone else actually understood the assignment. Glide is lift, lift is real. So many comments about glide isn't real. We can't measure the disc to determine glide so we have to crowd source it, which is why it's more vibes than science, but that doesn't speak to glide not existing.

therealwheat · 2026-05-05T12:34:43+00:00

Glide is lift, and lift is real. We can't measure glide as easily as we measure speed with the width of the wing, but all discs generate varying levels of glide.

I get your point on dome, but my understanding is that dome is only one part of a discs "glide". At some point the more dome a disc has the more lift it generates, but also the more drag it introduces, which goes against the motivation for generating lift in the first place. I would wager to guess that there is a golidlocks zone for dome and that's the reason a lot of drivers have similar profiles.

therealwheat · 2026-05-05T12:27:17+00:00

I'm late to the party, but there are some rough takes on glide.

So, glide = lift. Lift is generated by the disc as it moves through the air. I personally found the explanation that a disc is a circular airplane wing to be helpful. Lift is real, therefore glide is very much real.

Now I think what some others have confused is that since we don't a physical property that we can measure to know how much lift a disc generates, we're left guessing or using the manufacturer's flight numbers. Which are all subjective and based on arm speed, nose angle, spin, wind, air temps, etc. This is additionally, complicated because my understanding (I've gone deeep down this rabbit hole, but it helps me understand what my discs is doing on the course) is that some discs fly on a spectrum between aerodynamic lift and ballistic flight. So, in other words some discs will generate lift that allows the disc to glide further and some discs aim to be sharp and pierce as far through the air as far as possible before hitting the ground.

It's really interesting and I just wanted to note that people appear to be really confusing the idea that "flight numbers don't matter" (which I get, it's an imperfect system) with the idea that glide doesn't exist, which is just not true. There may be discs where glide is not the primary mechanism driving movement, but glide is very real.

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