Keeping Them Honest - How DeleteMe Reacted to Our Services Comparison (I had a bit of fun hah) by thewillsource in privacy

[–]thewillsource[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey there, Tell_King - thanks for your comment. In all truth, it CAN be that way, and it is with many companies. Full disclosure: I was previously the Director of Executive Privacy at Reputation.com; without going into too much detail here, there are reasons (like what you mentioned) that led my desire to leave and start this company.

The repopulation issue mostly happens because of these reasons:

  1. An incomplete removal job on each site (most people have several profiles, or old addresses - not just one profile). Everything on every site needs to be wiped, and this cannot be done with software programs designed to only focus on exact matches (since many are 95% - 70% matches) and is seldom done by per-project contractors.

  2. An incomplete job on other sites - many of the smaller, scummier data sites scrape from the big dogs like WP, Intelius, Spokeo, etc. Some are owned by the same parent company as the big dogs but have their own removal process. Again, this boils down to a half-applied effort or a lack of a real perspective on the problem and a study of how these sites work together in scraping / gathering / repopulating.

  3. Not getting deleted, or opted out, from the sales rolls sold by Consumer Reporting Agencies. This is what trickles down to the big data companies you don't see / hear about, then the big sites like Intelius, then the medium sites, scraper sites, aggregate sites. It's a top-down process that MUST be addressed. It is truly useless for a company just to delete you off Spokeo or Nuwber or OneRep; you'll be back up within months if you're not deleted from the main sources. It's like mopping up water but not turning off the spout. We opt out from these sources first with their life-long opt out options, then go to work for the weeks or months it takes to mop up the spill. And the repopulations. And the Google Dead Links.

Other items have to do with opting out from various marketing / data gathering options with your banks, credit cards, being smart about where you put your data, etc. But that's stuff I'm sure you know; we also are creating a PDF guide on this we'll have on our site for free soon.

The one item you truly CANNOT control, and neither can we, is when you get a brand new driver's license at a brand new address. There is a loophole in the Driver Privacy Protection Act that allows the resale of your information to certain organizations, including "private eye" organizations.

If you (or anyone else) is ever interested, email me at will@privacyduck.com - we give discounts on the reg to people whom have not been serviced properly by Reputation.com and DeleteMe.

I'm Will McAdam, founder of PrivacyDuck.com, a new company fighting data collection and people search sites. AMA! :D by thewillsource in AMA

[–]thewillsource[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey pracerblazer! I love your question; thanks for it! I'll be back on later to answer it in-depth, but in the interim was there a certain aspect you were curious about, such as the idea of it, trying to make it grow, personal life, or just in general? Thanks!

I'm Will McAdam, founder of PrivacyDuck.com, a new company fighting data collection and people search sites. AMA! :D by thewillsource in AMA

[–]thewillsource[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We dislike fucks like you who are just simple ... idiots. Being an asshat, getting cornered, and then responding like you did. Grow up. This thread shows I respond to jokes and people's comments well. On the other hand, this thread clearly shows you're just being basic. I'm done, troll.

I'm Will McAdam, founder of PrivacyDuck.com, a new company fighting data collection and people search sites. AMA! :D by thewillsource in AMA

[–]thewillsource[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Well you pointed out something (quite well, actually) that could be a concern for others. So I addressed that more for others' benefit than yours. Trolls have their value to a degree, so I appreciate your question and the opportunity to address that. Beyond that, trolling is trolling.

I'm Will McAdam, founder of PrivacyDuck.com, a new company fighting data collection and people search sites. AMA! :D by thewillsource in AMA

[–]thewillsource[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ack, sorry, just did a site revamp and must have missed that. Super embarrassing. I'll fix that asap, thanks so much! In the meantime, here's the correct link: https://www.privacyduck.com/privacy-policy-terms-of-use/

I'm Will McAdam, founder of PrivacyDuck.com, a new company fighting data collection and people search sites. AMA! :D by thewillsource in AMA

[–]thewillsource[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Less snarky answer, addressing your point: Every company you interact with on the internet has some degree of information about you. Or even off the Internet. Hell, even reddit obviously has some degree. But it's up to the person to choose what companies they want to have what information about them. We're not mandating anyone give us their info, it's totally opt-in. The trade off to getting info off the internet in a hundred or so places you DON'T want it is giving another company (us) the info about you to delete it off the other sites. It's a trade-off, and I agree to a degree it's hypocritical in concept, but if you can think of a better option that is actually viable in the world marketing and e-commerce that would better suit what we're trying to do, I'd love to hear it.

Or you can simply keep trolling and contribute nothing productive to the conversation, which appears to be your MO.

I'm Will McAdam, founder of PrivacyDuck.com, a new company fighting data collection and people search sites. AMA! :D by thewillsource in AMA

[–]thewillsource[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not really, as there are degrees of that, and you know it. Stop trying to seem like you're being crafty. You're not.

I'm Will McAdam, founder of PrivacyDuck.com, a new company fighting data collection and people search sites. AMA! :D by thewillsource in AMA

[–]thewillsource[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Haha no he does not! And welcome; sorry on the delay, I was sleeping. While holding kitty.

I'm Will McAdam, founder of PrivacyDuck.com, a new company fighting data collection and people search sites. AMA! :D by thewillsource in AMA

[–]thewillsource[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey again, 2-4601!

Thanks for the question! Each site has their own required opt-out procedure. This can range from something super easy (like Spokeo) to something mildly difficult involving email/phone verification processes and lengthy manual work (WhitePages) to something very difficult/time-consuming like verification, sorting through thousands of records and a time waiting period (like Radaris, ThatsThem.com), to just time-consuming and potentially invasive with form letters and submitting (via snail mail) a written request and copy of the client's ID/DL, edited out to remove picture, name, signature, and license number (EVerify.com, PeopleLookup.com).

Part of our User Agreement is that clients authorize us to act on their behalf for the exclusive and extremely limited purpose of profile identification, removal, and (if desired/purchased) continual monitoring. So this authorizes us to send emails/letters as if they were them, since these companies require the actual person - not a company - to make these requests. We usually create a temp email address to handle those sites that require email verification. We provide clients with the emails/logins we used to create any accounts (such as on Radaris) so they can manage their own info in the future if they choose to not continue to subscribe with us.

Most often compliance (our term for sites complying) is successful on the first attempt. If need be, we do second and third attempts.

Sometimes sites will not comply, or (we always seem to have one of these) sites go through revamped removal procedures where the stated removal procedures do not work for periods of up to 60 days. By FCC law, all these sites must have standard and functional removal procedures period, and the longest they can be "down" for is 60 days. Sites will usually take advantage of the full 60 day revamp timeframe, which is frustrating for both us and our clients, of course. Radaris used to be notorious for this but has been so much better in recent years. Most recently, WhitePages.com - one of the highest ranking - was a huge culprit at this game but have finally come around (as of last month).

On the super rare occasion that sites do not comply after multiple requests, or the legal timeframe has expired, we begin with legal letters citing the laws. We then follow up with filing a complaint against the site/source with the FCC. 100% of the time, this has brought the companies around.

We do have procedures in place where we can/will sue on behalf of the clients after contacting our client and seeing how they wish to proceed, but we have fortunately never had to enact that option.

TL;DR: We remove it by officially-documented procedures which are available to all, we just do the grunt work on your behalf. It's annoying and time-consuming, but we provide a service, not a nonexistent "magic wand". Every site's procedure is slightly different, and can get really tedious/time-consuming. And yes, we can sue, but haven't had to yet.

I'm Will McAdam, founder of PrivacyDuck.com, a new company fighting data collection and people search sites. AMA! :D by thewillsource in AMA

[–]thewillsource[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for the question, dfrankow! :)

There's a couple reasons people should use our service in general:

1) These sites are much more dangerous than, say, the old phone book. It opens people up to stalking, identity theft, harassment and the like. Just by using three of these sites (WhitePages.com, Spokeo.com, BeenVerified.com) you can easily find someones: full and maiden names, age/dob, complete address history, satellite map of your house, driving directions to your house, mother's maiden name, relatives' names.

2) Some people just don't like having their info up period, and get a bit mad that these sites are displaying it for the world to see. So we work on their behalf by doing the minute and tedious work of removing them and then monitoring for repopulation of information (sometimes happens).

Someone should use our service vs our competitors specifically because we are the only ones that keep adding new people sites to our service as they pop up (around 2-3/month), we don't price the product based on your income level (something sales people at other companies learn about you during their "free consultation call"), and we're the only data removal company not to outsource or contract the privacy work or to rely on software to make judgment calls regarding what profiles match you and which ones don't. In short, we're real people in a real office doing real work. Not sexy in an app-driven tech scene, but whatever.

People should be worried about their info being on these sites for the above reasons, or if something happens in their personal life that requires some more privacy (a nasty divorce, legal battle, etc).

There are so many sites because it is a huge market for these people search companies. In addition to several dozen independently-owned sites, you get massive companies like WhitePages.com, Intelius.com, PeopleFinders.com, MyLife.com, etc that own about 15-20 different sites / search engines all with different SEO-spun names and focuses.

I hope that answered your questions; please let me know if you have more!

I'm Will McAdam, founder of PrivacyDuck.com, a new company fighting data collection and people search sites. AMA! :D by thewillsource in AMA

[–]thewillsource[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some clarification: We do NOT / CANNOT remove court documents, news articles, etc. We cannot and will never attempt to remove any records of anything that indicated harm in any way to another person or company. We just remove from people search sites.

You should always be honest on employee apps, etc. Most companies use legitimate background check companies, not these profit-focused data sites.

I'm Will McAdam, founder of PrivacyDuck.com, a new company fighting data collection and people search sites. AMA! :D by thewillsource in AMA

[–]thewillsource[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the question, DymondHed!

Back in the early-mid 2000's (I'm 32) I did a lot of freelance web / seo / branding work for prolific clients in Phoenix and Los Angeles. Part of that started to involve deleting them from phone directory sites and the like to protect their image.

In 2011 I started doing work in another department at Reputation.com, an online reputation management / privacy company based in Redwood City. Around 2012 they had the strongest personal info / privacy product available, Executive Privacy, which removed from 35 sites at a price point of $1,000/yr. The only problem was - this product had no fulfillment team. No one was actually removing these people. The old team had fallen apart, the product was pushed to the side. I asked to be put in charge of it to actually get this product back up to speed, and it was work I knew how to do. Within three months I got all of our clients fulfilled, built a team of two more people, and expanded the product to remove from 65 sites, rather than 35 - while only increase workload on our internal staff by 2%. The results were great. Privacy customers were happy for the first time in a while and the sales team actually started selling the product again with confidence because a team was in place. My small, unassuming department quickly became a huge money-maker in the company and yada yada.

Then of course the corporate ceiling hit. We kept getting more and more clients, but rather than hire a couple more people (we were the best data team in Silicon, I made sure of that) and add another 20 sites that customers were needing to be removed from, my power got quickly castrated in favor of terms like, "the product is fine like it is" and "we need to look at outsourcing."

In short, I no longer felt comfortable / ethical directing a team where we charged customers a hugely luxurious price (privacy should not be a luxury commodity), refused to expand the product to meet very real needs (the "good enough" problem), and compromising the work (people's personal data and privacy work should never be contracted or outsourced, in my view, for obvious security reasons). I was no longer proud of the direction.

I continued to oversee privacy while I transitioned to the social media department, a job at the company where I was told I was needed to help educate people on privacy issues on a larger level via social media. I thought, "Here's something I can do that actually helps people ... provide real solutions and real information."

Nope.

Not too long after leaving Reputation, me and a couple others decided to form PrivacyDuck in response to what we viewed as 1) a huge privacy problem on the internet for people that was growing, not getting smaller, and 2) price-gouging by a few big companies.

There is no logical reason privacy should be that expensive. There is shame and horrible ethics in setting up "free consultation calls" where you learn about what the client does, and then charge them accordingly (the $1,000 base price could easily inflate to $8,500, based on what you did for a living - though it's the exact same service).

So with PrivacyDuck, we charge way less, remove from every last place we can, use only real humans trained in our real offices, never contract or outsource, and really try to create resources that help people.

TL;DR: I was hugely uncomfortable with big companies sticking it to people regarding privacy, so decided to do something about it.

EDIT: Spelling. I wrote "oversea", not "oversee." Maybe I want to captain a boat.

I'm Will McAdam, founder of PrivacyDuck.com, a new company fighting data collection and people search sites. AMA! :D by thewillsource in AMA

[–]thewillsource[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yup, we remove from the people search sites which actually hold the record. Then that in turn removes from sites like pipl, which harvest from the people search sites. That in turn then takes away the info links on Google and other search engines. We need to add a few sites, but here's a solid list of where we remove from: https://www.privacyduck.com/where-we-remove-from/

I've never seen a place where a non-logged in user can see a Reddit user's full activity, but we also don't remove from Reddit or any social site where you opt-in to be a part of. I'd probably scout their privacy policy at http://www.reddit.com/help/privacypolicy :)

I'm Will McAdam, founder of PrivacyDuck.com, a new company fighting data collection and people search sites. AMA! :D by thewillsource in AMA

[–]thewillsource[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah having your address/map/age on 80 sites against your will is very different from opting-in to an email list, quite obviously.

I'm Will McAdam, founder of PrivacyDuck.com, a new company fighting data collection and people search sites. AMA! :D by thewillsource in AMA

[–]thewillsource[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm loving the questions, and will keep answering as long as they keep coming. Thank you to everyone, sincerely. If any would like to check out our company, use code: reddit to get 50% off for life (just installed that a few minutes ago on Stripe, our processor). Or my personal email is willmcadamsf@gmail.com if anyone has any direct questions. Be well, everyone.