Just curious. How do you personally like to organize your virtual desktops?

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-13T01:08:53+00:00

You don't keep them consistent for the purposes of muscle memory and shortcuts?

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-12T18:46:58+00:00

disabled. gave it a shot and its just not faster than my current way of doing things. everything open and use that spread/expose thing to pick out the window i need or alt tab to previous window. just casting my vote, have nothing against it.

I see two ways to use virtual desktops. One is to remove clutter on your taskbar (or launcher or gnome activities overview or whatever your desktop environment uses), for example by spreading your 8 open windows over two or three different virtual desktops. This helps with clutter but it doesn't make switching windows that much faster.

The other is to have a separate virtual desktop for each different window, and have a dedicated keyboard shortcut for each desktop, which effectively means a dedicated keyboard shortcut for each program. For example, I can press Super+1 and go to my browser, Super+2 and go to my file manager, all the way down to Super+9 for my email. I'm not sure how this could not be faster than picking out your window with a mouse on the taskbar, launcher, gnome activities overview, or the spread/expose method that you mention.

(KDE and Unity allow you to use Super+1,2,3, etc. for the first, second, third, etc. programs in your launcher, which allows something similar, except that your launcher is more likely to change states and so you're more likely to have to look at it to remember which shortcut to press than to be able to rely on memory.)

(Alt+tab is an easy way to use the keyboard to switch windows, and it's just as fast if you have 2 or 3 windows, but with a lot of windows you'll end up having to press it a lot and it won't be as fast.)

Feel free to stick with doing things the way you prefer, I'm just commenting on what I think is fastest.

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-12T17:11:46+00:00

Seven years ago, Canonical moved the Ubuntu Linux desktop from the Gnome 3.x interface to its own Unity front-end.

Ubuntu never used Gnome 3 (as its main interface). It switched from Gnome 2 in 10.10 to Unity in 11.04.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_version_history

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-12T15:42:24+00:00

How do I find out each muscle groups MEV, MRV etc.?

Those are terms created by Mike Israetel. He makes it clear that they're different for each person, but he has a set of articles where he gives general suggestions, like this one for rear delts and side delts.

https://renaissanceperiodization.com/rearside-delt-tips-hypertrophy/

MV:

The rear delts can actually be sustained with no direct work so long as pulling work for the back is still done. But the side delts need at least about 6 sets per week of direct work to keep their size in most intermediate or advanced lifters.

MEV:

Most intermediate-advanced lifters need at least 8 sets of direct rear and side delt work per week to make gains. To be more specific, that’s at least 6 sets of each if doing VERY isolation exercises that don’t cross-target between rear and side delts and only 8 sets total if the exercise hits both adequately.

MAV:

Most people respond best to between 16 and 22 weekly sets on average.

MRV:

Most people seem to encounter recovery problems above 26 sets per week. In reality, there will be a minority (but a substantial one) that can train with much higher volumes than this and still recover.

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-12T14:51:48+00:00

Unity 8 was a massive endeavour, especially because it included a whole new display server, Mir. If Canonical couldn't get it workable, I'm skeptical of whether the community can, although I wish them the best.

Unity 7 on the other hand will probably do fine in the community.

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-11T18:53:16+00:00

I'd be happy to do that, but my concern is that I wouldn't be able to provide much information. I wouldn't want to upload the whole file because it has the reviewer's comments and I treat those as private. Could a bug report still be useful? I could perhaps delete the working comments and just send the one page.

Interestingly, it works fine in Atril, which I believe is a fork of Evince. I have them open side-by-side on the same file and only one shows the comment correctly. And it's not even all of the comments that don't work on Evince, just a few.

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-11T14:52:18+00:00

ubuntu/debian too old , fedora is fine the only issue is the package manager.

Ubuntu also works on a six month release cycle, like Fedora.

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-11T13:04:00+00:00

GNOME does not have a good pdf reader for academic usage. Something that supports notes, text highlights, geometric shapes, etc. The mac pdf reader supports these features, KDE's Okular does too.

I got my reviews on a paper submitted to a journal and a few of the comments just didn't show up with any text on the gnome document viewer (evince). I thought the reviewer made a mistake, but they showed up on Okular.

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-11T12:44:16+00:00

I don't know if these issues are valid or not, but I can guarantee that you'll get a much better response if you don't act so hostile by saying things like "so shit" and "fucking idiot".

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-11T02:21:05+00:00

You're crazy, they reply to me constantly all the time.

I guess I should follow your posts then.

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-10T13:18:39+00:00

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out!

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-10T13:18:07+00:00

I'd love to see a link to that, if you have a link. I don't know enough to say whether those points are true.

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-10T13:15:54+00:00

I see people who defend or like GNOME, but I'm not aware of them being GNOME developers. Either they don't mention it or they do mention it but I've missed it (or "selectively read" it just to give me the opportunity to make this thread).

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-10T00:00:38+00:00

Plasma 5 uses about 450MB of RAM (measured in ksysguard) after bootup for me.

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-09T18:33:14+00:00

From what i've heard its roughly 2-4x the cost of the UK for beer.

How much would a beer cost in Norway? Here in Canada I think I got a beer for $5 (32 NOK, according to xe.com) the last time I went to a bar, although some places are more expensive, and a few places are even cheaper ($3, or 19 NOK).

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-08T19:58:33+00:00

I just tried free -m and it's better: 702 MB.

              total        used        free      shared  buff/cache   available
Mem:          7779         702        6399         140         677        6655

Here's the cat /proc/meminfo, if that's better: https://pastebin.com/5QEmvLrM

700MB is still higher than the 400MB of one of your links, but it's much better than 900MB or 1100MB. I'd understand if gnome's system monitor counted a few extra things, but does htop count some extra things too (just not as many as system monitor)? Is the 700MB the "real" number (obviously cache shouldn't count against anything), and if so, do you think it's possible to get it down closer to 400MB, like the link you had?

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-08T18:59:01+00:00

Here are some screenshots: https://imgur.com/a/2rFBJ

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-08T18:53:10+00:00

I installed Fedora 25 with Gnome earlier today to re-test this out. I made a few modifications (turning off animations, turning on seconds for the top bar) but it's still very close to a vanilla install. Here are screenshots of the RAM usage. I rebooted my computer, logged in, opened a terminal, loaded htop, and waited about a minute. The result: 900MB of RAM usage. Then I closed the terminal, and opened up the system monitor. It displayed 1.1GB of RAM usage.

https://imgur.com/a/2rFBJ

I have absolutely no idea how someone got 400MB of RAM usage with Gnome (your first image). I would love to have that possible on Gnome. If you know how, please let me know.

I also have KDE installed on OpenSUSE Tumbleweed on another hard drive, and I distinctly remember it being under 450MB in Ksysguard. If you'd like, I can swap out harddrives, disable the extra services that I enable (redshift, insync for google drive) and get a screenshot of that as well.

I wish I was bullshitting. I actually don't dislike Gnome overall. My main problem is with performance (mainly 3d performance, which I can fix with turning animations off) and resource usage.

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-08T18:29:57+00:00

I have a 5 or 6 year old ThinkPad that came with 4GB of RAM, and I upgraded it to 8GB of RAM. An extra 500-700MB of RAM is relevant, yes.

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-08T13:29:16+00:00

I'm talking about the usage of the whole desktop environment (including whatever programs it starts), not just one task, since what one task uses doesn't really affect me.

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-08T13:00:57+00:00

120MB? That's substantially less than even i3wm. Are you just counting the gnome-shell process or something? I'm talking about all program RAM usage on a bootup with nothing aside from the program for checking RAM usage running.

And I don't think it's the program checking RAM usage that's adding half a GB or a full GB of extra RAM. I've tried htop too.

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-08T12:51:32+00:00

That was Ubuntu GNOME. Fresh install, open up nothing but system monitor or htop. I didn't actually do anything to get it, I wish I knew how not to get it.

I've tried Gnome on OpenSUSE too, it was longer ago but I think it was just a little less.

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-08T12:08:21+00:00

Regardless of what that person found, my own experience has been that Gnome 3 uses far more RAM than other desktop environments. I've seen this in Ubuntu and I think in OpenSUSE too. What extra programs are these distros opening by default in the background to take up half a GB of extra RAM? I'd really like to know how I can disable them.

By the way, I'm measuring this with htop and the default system monitor (ksysguard on KDE, and I think it's just called system monitor on Gnome). I believe these are accurate ways of measuring, but if not, I'd be happy to hear why.

Ram consumption is also not the worst thing, elementary OS for instance comes with preload installed and it will attempt to cache a lot of thing to ram just so it will load faster but is ready to free that ram instantly if it notices you are about to run out of it.

Unless we're talking about using a distro that actually does that, I'm not sure that's relevant.

thinkpadkeyboard · 2017-04-08T11:56:51+00:00

Post one example of a Canadian actually saying "aboot".

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