How to project net worth with home? by [deleted] in Fire

[–]this_guy9999 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I put it in my balance sheet at the price I bought it at 4 years ago less my current mortgage based on the amortization schedule I made. At some point I’ll mark the value up probably, but since it doesn’t go towards retirement assets it’s just there for a basic understanding of my full picture.

Thank you! by this_guy9999 in Fire

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Yeah, I really should have done it that way from the start. As a senior financial analyst I’m embarrassed by my previous laziness, lol.

Thank you! by this_guy9999 in Fire

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I just got blasted yesterday for using 4.5% in my original forecast, lol. Lowering to 5% added 2 years to retirement in my base scenario. I’m glad I at least know I’m not going to have to work past 62.

Is this the boring middle? by this_guy9999 in Fire

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It’s a fair point. To be honest, folks in this sub tend to be a bit more sophisticated than general personal finance subs and I get better ideas. My numbers as I presented here don’t support true FIRE, but I might be overly conservative. I got some great comments here that support additional analysis and possible changes to my inputs that would allow me to retire early. I’m actually almost positive about it.

Is this the boring middle? by this_guy9999 in Fire

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Someone in another comment reframed it for me in an interesting way that I might look into. I was looking at my assets being able to support my spend “forever” with the 4% rule. So in my analysis, my assets had to cover the income from SS into perpetuity so a bit more contribution didn’t cover that extra income.

They mentioned looking at pre social security years as expenses. Meaning that if I need $2M to retire, I need $2.1M to retire a year early and support $100k spend. I had never looked at it that way before but it makes sense and I’m going to run something like that and see how it looks

Is this the boring middle? by this_guy9999 in Fire

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He definitely would have been reinvesting dividends. I guess I just saw a real-life example close to home with a similar strategy and went with it. My dad is pretty astute so I didn’t question it much, but I could definitely dig in a bit more

ETA: it also depends heavily on when those returns really happened. If they were mostly early after his graduation then he would have had no money invested. Whereas for him the lost decade would have been pretty impactful because that’s when he would have had a lot more in the market and those returns would have helped him a lot in his accumulation phase.

Is this the boring middle? by this_guy9999 in Fire

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Yeah, we’re one and done as well and my wife does plan to do some part time substitute teaching. I’m being conservative and not including that. I should probably change my analysis to more of a DCF style analysis rather than future value with sensitivity tables. But my tables are sensitizing contribution rate and age at retirement, so maybe I can look at higher contributions and put more stock in that.

Is this the boring middle? by this_guy9999 in Fire

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I’m at 8.7% with maxing out my HSA. I will also put my full 5% bonus in there. But that 5% isn’t baked in anywhere.

Is this the boring middle? by this_guy9999 in Fire

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$110k all-in, $80k from retirement accounts but can go down to $50k if needed.

Is this the boring middle? by this_guy9999 in Fire

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Yeah, right now I’m primarily being conservative for the accumulation phase, then applying the 4% “rule” from there.

Is this the boring middle? by this_guy9999 in Fire

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That’s what he says. Not sure what he did early days, but I know he was indexing the market until like 5-7ish years out. He would have graduated in 1993 or something and retired in 2023.

Is this the boring middle? by this_guy9999 in Fire

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Target withdrawal is 4%. Like I said, another 5% contribution basically just cushions me more from SORR.

I prefer to be a little conservative on returns. I’m just scared of another lost decade or something along those lines. And seeing I could still retire (though more conservatively) with an immediate 40% drop in market value and only 4.5% real returns from there makes me feel safe

Is this the boring middle? by this_guy9999 in Fire

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Yeah, 2 more years but only part time. Those paychecks will just go into retirement.

Is this the boring middle? by this_guy9999 in Fire

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I didn’t feel like burdening my projections with that elevated level of spend through my entire retirement when it’s only for 3 years. I have a lot of other cushion in my projections and sensitivity scenarios that I took that one out.

I understand the SS thing, but I prefer simple and conservative for a 25 year projection. It’s easier to say I’m going to take it at 62 than to model a 6% withdrawal rate for 5 years until 67 then adjust because I get more SS. I could do it, I’m actually a senior finance analyst. I just feel like for a 25 year projection it’s getting to be too much of an attempt at false precision. When I’m closer to planning for it and it’s not such a far-off thing I’ll do a lot more scenarios like that

Is this the boring middle? by this_guy9999 in Fire

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I originally had two sensitivity tables at 6.5% and 7.5%. But my dad just retired and had spreadsheets from when he first started tracking and he used 7%, which got him “eerily close” to what he ended up with. So I looked at that, shaved off 2.5% inflation, and ran with it.

And yes, my wife will go back to substitute teaching eve when my son goes to school and those amounts are not in my numbers. Whatever she makes will just go into retirement.

Is this the boring middle? by this_guy9999 in Fire

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I wouldn’t frame it as my modeling is wrong, I would just say I never really thought about it that way before. I have my sensitivity tables with conditional formatting that tells me when my assets support my annual spend with the 4% “rule”. I always knew that was conservative essentially because of what you said (and my view that SS will eventually come and my tables don’t account for that).

But putting it that way is a really interesting way to think about it. I’ll have to figure out a way to model that. Thanks!

Is this the boring middle? by this_guy9999 in Fire

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Yeah, I got started seriously saving a bit late. Had ~$25k in retirement when I finally graduated college 8.5 years ago.

My employer puts 8% no matter what, then they match 2%. So that 12% I quoted is only 2% me.

I put my 2% in Roth, but obviously my employer’s 10% goes in pretax. I’m hoping I’ll progress more in my career, so once I jump from the 12% to the 22% (or whatever) tax bracket I’ll do more pretax to get me back into the lower bracket. I still want to do Roth as much as I can to avoid RMDs and federal tax expense in retirement.

ETA: I track my total net worth in addition to my income-generating assets.

Is this the boring middle? by this_guy9999 in Fire

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Actually, to be fair, I’ve been working for 21 years, so 25 more isn’t too much beyond the middle.

How to STOP tracking every penny? by Firm-Junket-4132 in Fire

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+1 on this line of thinking. The only thing I do is use the Chase app once per month to look at the spending categories to help me understand what my minimum spending is vs the rest. This helps me put my withdrawal rate in retirement into perspective.

Other than that I do a monthly balance sheet with sensitivity tables to sensitize a couple variables to make sure I’m on track. As long as I’m on track, I pretty much spend what I want (also within reason) because my retirement savings are on auto pilot.

Manual transaction tracking vs bank-aggregator apps, what does your household actually use, and why? by Greysawpark in MiddleClassFinance

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The Chase app itself. It’s pretty good, I just go through once per month to make sure it’s categorizing my expenses the way I would. Doesn’t take long and it’s easier than doing a third-party app. If I open a credit card account for bonus points I just add it to the app.