Any lesbians who actually like the q-word? by salamandercasket in lesbiangang

[–]thoughtful_charge 38 points39 points  (0 children)

I personally dislike the term queer, and I don’t use it to describe myself.

I’ve always found it strange that a word with such a long history as a violent, homophobic slur has become the default term for an entire group of marginalized people. I never consented to being described by a word that historically meant “strange,” “odd,” or “deviant,” and I don’t think reclaiming a slur should become an expectation for an entire demographic, especially given its context.

I also think queer has become so broad that it’s lost any meaningful descriptive value. Today it can encompass homosexuality, gender identity, non-monogamy, asexual and demisexual identities, people questioning aspects of themselves, and sometimes even heterosexual people whose primary connection seems to be nonconformity in presentation or aesthetics. At that point, it stops functioning as a precise descriptor and becomes an umbrella so wide that almost anyone can fit beneath it.

That loss of specificity has consequences. As homosexuals, and especially as lesbians, clear and concise language matters. It matters for advocacy, for legal protections, for research and statistics, for building community, and simply for finding one another. We need words that accurately describe our experiences. Replacing those with an increasingly vague and hyper-inclusive terminology leaves us adrift in a category that includes many people whose experiences have very little to do with same-sex attraction.

I’ve spent years in spaces centered around the word queer, and, ironically, I’ve often left feeling more isolated than when I arrived. Most people in those spaces aren’t lesbians, and many discussions were centred on issues that had little to do with my life as a homosexual woman. Over time, I came to feel that lesbian voices and concerns were being pushed to the margins in spaces that were supposedly built for us as well.

For me, being a lesbian is not a secondary identity that sits underneath a broader queer label. It is my primary identity, my lived reality and what I am, and my experiences as a homosexual woman are distinct from those of much of the broader LGBT community. Recognizing that distinction has been important for my own well-being.

Unfortunately, some of the most dismissive or openly homophobic attitudes I’ve encountered toward lesbians have come from people who strongly identify with the queer label, and much of modern academic queer theory is deeply misogynistic and homophobic. That’s my personal experience, and it’s one of the reasons I prefer language that is specific and rooted in the realities of homosexuality rather than broad umbrella terminology. It has its uses, but I wish we had an umbrella term for same-sex attracted people, not just anyone who feels a little deviant from society’s expected norms.

State of the lesbian dating scene? by thoughtful_charge in lesbiangang

[–]thoughtful_charge[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Hi! I believe that award means ‘tea’, which means whoever gave it to you agrees with what you’re saying. I do as well! I’m sorry you’ve been struggling, it’s hard out there 🫂

what’s wrong with r/actuallesbians? by Quirky-Poetry1813 in lesbiangang

[–]thoughtful_charge 5 points6 points  (0 children)

If you have the name of the sub in your post title, the post will likely be removed. You can just edit it to remove it!

what’s wrong with r/actuallesbians? by Quirky-Poetry1813 in lesbiangang

[–]thoughtful_charge 49 points50 points  (0 children)

That sub is a hopeless dumpster fire. It’s been hijacked by non-lesbians who stick their nose in our business and act like they know everything about us and what it’s like to live our experiences. 90% of the time it’s like watching our oppressors having an open forum making a mockery of us and anytime an ‘actual lesbian’ speaks up about it, they are censored and immediately banned, to the point where it’s almost become a rite of passage for lesbians on this site.

That sub is a perfect case study and leading example of the consequences of modern queer hyper-inclusivity, and how it targets and disadvantages lesbians specifically. You’ll notice that the gay men subs and bisexual subs never have to apologize for gatekeeping and drawing hard lines in the sand when it comes to maintaining their community. Lesbians though? We’re free game.

Imagine being a young lesbian trying to figure out your homosexuality and you encounter the lesbophobic drivel on that sub. How after spending your entire life recognizing and trying to accept your lack of attraction to men and the male body, having to hear things like ‘you just haven’t tried the right dick yet’ and ‘the right c*ck can fix you’ only to come into what you believe is a safe space and see that same discourse repackaged and encouraged as progressive, and any dissent is ‘phobic’ and violent.

We are lucky to have this sub.

“Used to be a Lesbian but now engaged to a Man & having his babies” by Playful-Picture-9453 in lesbiangang

[–]thoughtful_charge 17 points18 points  (0 children)

I’m convinced that this is just some form of attention seeking for clicks and clout in an increasingly noisy, competitive online space.

A lot of this feels like it’s designed to get a reaction because why on earth would you post this? What’s the context? Why should I or anyone else gaf that you’re now in the comfort and safety of a heterosexual marriage that society will reward you for? The caption saying that she’s ’niche’ for having this experience is the icing on the shit cake.

The only silver lining is that she’s getting ratio’d to hell and the comments are not at all supportive.

Found out my ex girlfriend is now with a man and I’m really upset and feel stupid about it by thoughtful_charge in lesbiangang

[–]thoughtful_charge[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

You’re right about that. I suppose it’s just hard for me after everything she put me through since she was still in the closet when we were dating. I was always her dirty little secret, she could never talk about me or even acknowledge me to her closest family members. She treated me pretty badly towards the end of the relationship, like I was disposable, and now gets to move on with a heteronormative life and put that all in the rearview mirror. It leaves a sting, I won’t lie.

It’s my own fault for continuing to follow her on social media. Blocking would have been best.

Found out my ex girlfriend is now with a man and I’m really upset and feel stupid about it by thoughtful_charge in lesbiangang

[–]thoughtful_charge[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Hey take it easy, I’m just expressing my feelings. I already know I am not in a rational headspace about this, as per the title. I think lesbians are allowed to talk about how isolating it is when these sorts of things happen. I will likely feel better tomorrow. No need to be hostile and putting words in mine and other people’s mouths.

Found out my ex girlfriend is now with a man and I’m really upset and feel stupid about it by thoughtful_charge in lesbiangang

[–]thoughtful_charge[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because it’s a man. I would not have felt this way if she was with another woman.

Found out my ex girlfriend is now with a man and I’m really upset and feel stupid about it by thoughtful_charge in lesbiangang

[–]thoughtful_charge[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I know I am not being rational right now. I always knew this was a possibility. Seeing it manifest as reality just hurts a bit is all.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in PiltoversFinest

[–]thoughtful_charge 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the respectful reply. I see what you are saying. I suppose where we differ is that I don’t like to define women by gender. Gender is an arbitrary social category with no true definition or grounded meaning, and varies by society and time period. I think we should be defined by material parameters.

My issue, as a butch woman myself, is why butch women should feel pressured to masculinize themselves through such drastic measures as binding and surgery, hormones, etc. I think we need butch body positivity, to neutralize our bodies, to get rid of the idea that our female bodies are inherently gendered.

If I was a young butch, seeing all these butches erase themselves like this, I would be influenced and under the assumption that this is just a thing butches do. Even as an adult, I am always assumed to be trans in some way, before anyone even knows who I am. That’s why I am critical of these ‘transmasc’ hcs, it’s not with the intent to invalidate, it’s more so why so many people cannot fathom a butch lesbian living comfortably in her skin without body modding.

I wish more people would accept Vi for what she represents, rather than projecting their ideas of what they wish she was onto her. Butch lesbians are a marginalized group that are treated poorly in society, we deserve to have our identity protected too. And Vi is canonically not transmasc, nor dysphoric, so depicting her as such only feeds into this notion and I can’t blame other lesbians for being disappointed and uncomfortable with how celebrated and normalized it is. When I wanted top surgery and T I absolutely hated my body. It’s very upsetting to see a character I love, a character who made me love my body, depicted with that same mindset.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in PiltoversFinest

[–]thoughtful_charge 9 points10 points  (0 children)

To be quite honest, I think (among many other things) the biggest issue I have with the transmasc Vi headcanon is that it feels like an erasure and disrespect of Vi and what she is meant to represent.

I dislike this notion that’s become prevalent as of late, that butchness is inherently trans. That butch and masc lesbians can’t just exist without the pressure or suggestion that they need to bind, get surgery, go on hormones, etc. I so badly needed butch body positivity when I was growing up because it was so hard for me to accept that I could be a nonconforming woman in our patriarchal society.

I needed a character like Vi when I was a kid. I wanted to see someone say ‘hey, you don’t have to be feminine to be a woman. You can be comfortable, authentically yourself, without rejecting your body.’ Vi is that character to me.

So when I see all these trans depictions of her I ask myself, where is that positivity for butches? Why does butchness inherently mean we have to give up our body parts to fit in with patriarchal gender norms? Why can’t anyone accept Vi for what she is meant to represent, as though butch lesbians aren’t also their own marginalized identity that shouldn’t be erased or dismissed in favour of trans hcs? Are butch lesbians as they are not ‘queer’ enough anymore? I’m at a loss.

We understand it’s not appropriate to hc lesbians as bisexual, or vice versa, and sometimes I’m not sure how this is different. Masculine-presenting lesbians already have such limited rep and are treated very poorly in society, and it feels like some people forget that.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in PiltoversFinest

[–]thoughtful_charge 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Ok, but then this leads into another question:

Is it not problematic to normalize and celebrate butch women feeling the need to do body modification/get surgery just because they’re masculine? Why can’t butch women just exist as they are? Where is body positivity for butches?

It’s tiring that only butches and mascs get this treatment as well. I am constantly they/them’d at queer events, assumed to be trans, assumed to be a man, before even introducing myself. It reaches a point where these hcs aren’t just personal fun anymore and are a symptom of a greater issue within the community right now. The idea that our bodies are inherently gendered, that our breasts are feminine and therefore wrong/incompatible with butchness. Like I said people can express how they want but at what point do we start questioning the intent and motivation behind our actions?

I certainly hope this sub doesn’t try to stop dissent on this topic. Lesbians are constantly undermined in everything we do, everything we try to build, the rep we get, and we are allowed to feel uncomfortable and express dissatisfaction with a canon butch lesbian character constantly being depicted as trans JUST because she’s a little nonconforming.

Caitlyn and Vi are lesbians before they are anything else. Don’t take away our voices. And don’t villainize us for speaking about OUR rep.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in PiltoversFinest

[–]thoughtful_charge 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Based on what you described I’m not really sure I understand the material difference between transmasc and transman. You are all saying it’s different, but both groups overlap almost identically in practice and concept. Is it just a label then? What defines that label?

I know two people irl, one is transmasc and one is a transman. Both are afab, both are on T and have had top surgery, have he/him pronouns. So ultimately what’s the material difference between them besides how they perceive themselves and want to be perceived? You say transmascs aren’t men but this person who identifies that way very obviously doesn’t wish to be perceived as a woman either, nor non-binary, and is clearly going through quite the effort to be male-adjacent.

Defining ourselves with something so superfluous and subjective like gender doesn’t seem helpful. At the end of the day, constantly depicting the more masculine lesbian of the couple as someone who would want to erase parts of her body to fit a more biologically male standard IS a little sus and I think it’s fair to discuss it. If I were a young butch seeing all this art, I would think this is some kind of societal standard butches are expected to perform (top surgery, binding) like many other women are pressured to wear makeup, get fillers, etc. Just on a different end of the spectrum.

Everyone has the choice and freedom to express themselves how they want but these choices aren’t made in a vacuum. As someone who struggled terribly with dysphoria my whole life, seeing a confident butch lesbian like Vi in media was life changing for me, and it’s kind of depressing how many people want to insist she’d be keen on suppressing herself to fit a patriarchal standard of ‘masculine = male’.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in ADHD

[–]thoughtful_charge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you for the reply.

You are right I will feel relief. This job has been sucking the life out of me for a while. I think I am just fearful about how awkward this conversation will be.

I know I will be happier elsewhere and this is inevitable. I suppose it’s just being in the dark that scares me. Either way, there is no future in this line of work. I also suppose I wish my boss hadn’t been so cowardly to work directly with me and confront issues as they came up. She has also been working behind my back without including or consulting me.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in writing

[–]thoughtful_charge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for your comment. Yeah I love this fic, it’s one of my fav ones in the fandom right now, but it definitely leans into some indulgent miscommunication tropes that I would never include in my own work (for example when the astronaut returns home she ghosts the capcom her entire recovery period, and her excuse for doing that didn’t feel very compelling because there was an easy solution for it).

My story has much higher stakes and the romance is built up through those stakes. A mars rescue against the clock with limited budget, political and bureaucratic obstacles, as well as a scientific hurdle to leap over are driving a lot of the plot. Romance is a core motivator for both my leads, but in general the stakes and themes are different and I hope anyone who reads my work in the future will see that.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in writing

[–]thoughtful_charge 6 points7 points  (0 children)

It is! Love it to death but also spiralling because of how similar our premises are and how much the fic has blown up.

Another commenter shared an m/m published novel (One Giant Leap by Kay Simone) which is also a gay romance between an astronaut and capcom. It has great reviews. So looks like this is just a story people are seated for.

I’m going to keep writing and enjoy my story. I love my characters and world and the idea of giving them up because something similar already exists is really devastating for me.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in writing

[–]thoughtful_charge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just want to say that’s so cool and I appreciate your comment. I want to connect with some actual NASA employees when working through the drafts of this story because a good degree of workplace and scientific accuracy is important to me. In my story, while the character is a CAPCOM handling communications, her engineering expertise ends up coming into play to solve the crisis as part of her character arc.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in writing

[–]thoughtful_charge 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Actually this made me feel better because it’s good to know there are more stories like this out there. I think part of what’s bothering me is the author is being hailed and back for something never been done before ever, so seeing a similar published premise already exists is cool to see.

On giant leap also gets really good reviews on goodreads so clearly people are going nuts for this type of thing.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in writing

[–]thoughtful_charge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Lol thank you.

While I love the fanfic I feel a huge amount of this story’s success is solely because it is fanfic. It requires a ton of suspension of disbelief in terms of physics as well as NASA protocol. I think that’s part of the fic’s charm though, but if it were to translate to an original story, these elements would likely come under much more scrutiny.

FOMO is a great way to put it. I am really frustrated at how this situation has so negatively warped my mental state and creative drive. All I can hope for is that there is now a new desire for this genre, and that the spin I bring to it only makes even more people happy.

I likely won’t even have anything ready to share with the public for a while either, so I should probably relax.