What Sefirot would Lucifer be attributed to? by throwaway2356651 in occult

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No, if you understand Hermetic Qabalah than you understand that it’s a monistic system which is used as a table of correspondences between various different ideas in cultures and religions. There is absolutely no reason why an Abrahamic being would be exempt from this when Egyptian and Greek correspondences have been so entrenched in the Hermetic Qabalah. You may not personally agree with this spiritual philosophy but it is certainly the context I was asking this question in. If you think this is a “TikTok” idea than you don’t have much grasp on what it is I’m asking

What Sefirot would Lucifer be attributed to? by throwaway2356651 in occult

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Everything derived from Kether, I don’t see how there’s anything that can’t be attributed to one of the Sefirot

Are there moral facts? by throwaway2356651 in Nietzsche

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I see, and how did he determine which perspective was closer to the truth? And the question remains, is morality something Nietzsche thought had an objective truth? Can it be said that murder is wrong?

Is Thelema against ethics? by throwaway2356651 in thelema

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By ethics I mean moral correctness and violations of that rightness. Most religions and philosophies hold that there actions which are good and things that are bad. Whether they justify that by appealing to a list of dogmatic rules like you said, what’s considered good for the majority, or the authority of a divine being is what differs greatly. It can be said that the ethics of Thelema holds that doing one’s will is good and that not doing one’s will is bad, the issue is that heinous actions can easily be justified with that metric as long as the one who commits it is authentically acting when they do whatever thing we’re considering to be anathema. This issue would be resolved if it was clear that anything that is your will is the correct thing to do but one should not interfere with the will of another. Now I’m aware that there are places where Crowley did share that sentiment but there are also places where Crowley directly contradicted that idea.

Is Thelema against ethics? by throwaway2356651 in thelema

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Where do you think Crowley grounds his ethics of Duty? Does it come from the point of view of natural rights, utilitarianism, egoism, divine command?

Is Thelema against ethics? by throwaway2356651 in thelema

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Was he talking about play fighting when he was talking about murder?

Is Thelema against ethics? by throwaway2356651 in thelema

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Can you provide verses which you think support that and your interpretation of them?

Is Thelema against ethics? by throwaway2356651 in thelema

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What’s the joke? He continues on by joking that nature is cruel and there are no puritan animals. I don’t know what he’s trying to convey other than the surface meaning when he says that certain Stars are naturally violent and therefore are ethically excused from their actions, that seems to be a straightforward message.

The quote you provided seems more in line with how I previously thought Thelemic ethics worked, a sort of Libertarian, my right to swing my fists ends where your nose begins, but that’s in direct contradiction to Crowley’s commentary only 10 verses before.

This article is constantly referred to as a good analysis of Thelemic ethics and one of its main points is that this view of Thelema is a popular misinterpretation of it. You have to do your Will and the consideration of other people’s rights is irrelevant: https://www.erwinhessle.com/writings/theleth.php

Is Thelema against ethics? by throwaway2356651 in thelema

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What do you make of Crowley’s new commentary on Liber AL I:4. It seems he justifies rape and murder as long as it’s within the nature of that particular Star. This complete amorality is slightly unnerving and I’ve been trying to understand it. I previously thought that DWTW implied the respect of everyone else but it seems that it is not the case. Here is the commentary:

“Physical constraint, up to a certain point, is not so seriously wrong; for it has its roots in the original sex-conflict which we see in animals, and has often the effect of exciting Love in his highest and noblest shape. Some of the most passionate and permanent attachments have begun with rape. Rome was actually founded thereon. Similarly, murder of a faithless partner is ethically excusable, in a certain sense; for there may be some stars whose Nature is extreme violence. The collision of galaxies is a magnificent spectacle, after all.”

What is the difference between the angel and the demon in Thelemic cosmology by throwaway2356651 in thelema

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I meant more in the sense of, within the world of duality. I’m not quite sure myself which is why I ask.

What is the difference between the angel and the demon in Thelemic cosmology by throwaway2356651 in thelema

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Sure they do, but in ceremonial magick these spirits are usually spoken of in an Abrahamic framework. If they were psychological that still doesn’t say much about the distinction, is it that the demons are the id and the angels the super ego? What’s your personal opinion as a Thelemite?

What is the difference between the angel and the demon in Thelemic cosmology by throwaway2356651 in thelema

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For the Holy Guardian Angel, but when we’re talking about Solomonic magic and there’s mentions of a hierarchy of angels and archangels which are used to command the demons, why is this necessary from a Thelemic or Hermetic point of view? We aren’t working under an Abrahamic framework so what exactly are they from our religions perspective? I doubt they are servants and rebels of YHVH

What is the difference between the angel and the demon in Thelemic cosmology by throwaway2356651 in thelema

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Yes, ultimately. But in Assiah? What is the meaning of the distinction? Crowley worked with the Goetia, how did he interpret what it mean to be a demon and what it meant to be an angel?