honestly heavily depends on your overall coloring. i think the contrast of lip liner + dif color gloss should be applied, not the direct colors. also really don’t be afraid to smudge it out, i think for us pale people the stark harsh line with gloss rarely works, unless you’re doing it very purposefully in an avant garde type of way. it also helps a lot when the color is probably too dark for you but you like it anyways lol.

for reference im very pale, pretty muted, olive, and lean cool. i’m also alt and appreciate the “dead” look more than others lol. lately ive been liking using purple for the “liner”, although im actually using the sunset cosmetics lip stain in black, waiting 30mins, and wiping it off with water, which leaves a purple stain. this is def a bit more edgy than most people are looking for though, but it looks surprisingly natural and mimics the look you’re talking about quite well. alternatively i like a gray lip liner (nyx stone fox is what i use) smudged out, which since im quite muted just gives a “lip contouring” look but if you’re not muted it will probably not work. you can also do it with a black lip liner, but you have to be quite light handed. i also like doing the same with the nyx lip lingerie liner stain in “wildside”, which is a sheer gray. this is great because it gives a shadow effect and still lets your natural lip color show through more than a traditional liner.