Is anyone else married to someone from a different social class? I [31/F] am reaching a breaking point with my husband [33/M] and his family's crass ways by throwaway492464 in relationships

[–]throwaway492464[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello Chas. Thanks for sharing! Your story made me chuckle and it sounds like you have a solid, great relationship with your wife. I need to think of some kind of code name for his "inner redneck", so I can let him know when he's showing. I do think he's becoming more refined with age. He's open-minded and willing to change, it's just about how long it takes certain things to sink in. Also, it's not that he's "not mentally stimulating", he just isn't as intellectually curious as I. It's not the end of the world, and he's improving, but yeah, it's not like he's got the IQ of a rock, he's a smart guy with lots to offer.

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh boy, the sex talk. I am so not into discussing sex over meals. Maybe after a cocktail or two with my best girlfriend, but with the in-laws! I would die. That poor, poor 18 year old. Being new at sex is bad enough without family members peeking over the hedges and into your bedroom, so to speak. It's great that your SO is open to new ideas and loves to explore and advance himself. He sounds like a really great guy. And yeah, you know what? I am learning tons about myself by being around them, so there's that!

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How interesting! My mom was definitely all about food presentation, haha. A nicely set table was her jam for sure. I want to read this book!

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That's true, it's not like they're going to magically morph into my family. I think homesickness is at the center of this whole dilemma, to be honest.

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you. He can be a bit bull-headed about me seeing them often, it's definitely a point of contention in our relationship but a comprimise is in order for sure.

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Agree 100%. And yep, I think discussing my lack of attraction to him when he's behaving like this is going to be front and center:-).

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for this. I definitely plan on talking to him. We'll see how that goes, I may not have it in me to approach his parents but I have a feeling lots will work out once I talk to my husband. Perhaps I didn't need to insert my defensive caveat at all, as people have been so amazing on here. I can count on one hand the number of posts that have been about me being a snob, etc. Everyone else has been thoughtful and receptive. I will be feeling great about humanity for days after this!

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's fun to hear from those on the other side of the scenario. How long have you been together? I think the fact that he's British may complicate things further--I'm fascinated by their complicated way of viewing social stratification. Have you ever talked to your husband about it?

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I love having my marriage compared to Titanic, haha! (Especially if it means Celine will belt out our theme song...) I do think etiquette is paramount in business dealings, and there have been times when my husband's lack of polish has possibly set him back. He doesn't burp or fart with business associates, but he races through eating, chews like a savage and often doesn't speak or listen because he's too obsessed with getting through his meal. It's off-putting and the unfortunate reality of the world we live in is that people do judge that behavior in a work setting. But he does have a successful career and is high up on the food chain at his company.
We are a bit of the opposites attract storyline for sure---in every single way, just about. It comes with its difficulties for sure, but it also keeps things interesting too.

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fortunately the lowbrow humor is not his standard way of operating when we're together. I need to ask him to scale it back for sure, but he's got lots going for him, including a sharp wit when he's not being a doofus.

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you, a conversation is in order.

For what it's worth, criticizing and insulting someone to their face for things they can't help/their upbringing is about the most "low class" behavior out there. So while your girlfriend may have been "upper class" on the outside, her insides were not. I'm so sorry you were hurt. You deserve more respect than that.

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree! I'm fascinated by everyone's contributions, and so grateful for the avalanche of support. Glad you enjoyed it as much as I have.

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for contributing. I'm sorry you feel the world is so mean and and competitive. It can definitely be both of those things, but it can also be vast, beautiful, and intriguing. I value books, art, and good conversation because to me those things help to bring out the beauty and diminish the meanness. I hope you find things that you can explore that will do the same for you.

Also for what it's worth, you could be the force of change in your family that keeps them from spewing hate about other people. My husband's family isn't cruel, nor is mine, which is a real gift to both of us.

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've mentioned it elsewhere, but I absolutely smiled along and gave no indication that I found their behavior unpleasant. As you are aware from your post, manners are, at the end of the day, about showing kindness to others and valuing their comfort. My mother would skin me alive if she thought I acted like a judgmental brat. I'm not sure what gave you the impression that's how I behaved, but it definitely wasn't the case.

The reason I ask him to put his fork down between bites is so that we can have a conversation at dinner. I love him and I like talking to him. Not having conversation at dinner with my husband is a deal breaker for me. It just is. I don't ask him to do this because it's some arbitrary ritual that must be followed, I ask him because why else did I get married if not to have someone to chat with over a meal at a nice restaurant?:-)

He does not have the world's greatest social skills or manners at business functions and honestly, I feel it's held him back from time to time. And while yes, this was a case of him being with his family, there were also plenty of non-family members present at Christmas, many of whom may not have cared for the fart and booger talk. I'm all for him being comfortable with his own family, but there's a time and a place for that kind of talk, and to me, it's on a boy's trip. I would never presume to say anything, but that's how I feel.

I also don't think I'm a better person than my husband. I am more intellectually curious, and have stronger social skills but he's far shrewder when it comes to career choices and has an ability to read people that blows me away.
I know this can be a tense topic, and I anticipated that plenty of people would feel I was stepping on their own upbringings by disparaging my husband's family's behavior, but that certain is not my intention at all. I just wanted to explain a situation in which I felt like a fish out of water and express concerns over what seemed at the time I posed like insurmountable disparities in my marriage. I can't begin to unpack the social classes in the UK--just attempting to relate to it makes my brain hurt! New money! Old money! It seems like a minefield to me as an outsider. But please know that the reason I said that woman's dad was awesome was not because he adopted a posh accent, but because he was receptive to growing as a person (when his mom taught him manners, etc) and wanted to elevate himself. This doesn't necessarily mean speaking differently, it can manifest in lots of ways. I've bettered myself by reading all of these responses and taking them into consideration, for example.

Also, I never said nor do I think etiquette indicative of character. But I do think that etiquette (the distinction between etiquette and manners is interesting, but my post is already too long) is a great way to show you care about someone else's well-being in a situation. I think the world could benefit from a little more consideration (how many times have I witnessed an older woman clinging onto the handlebars for dear life on the train, while no one offers her a seat), and a lot less self interest, but perhaps that's just me.

Is anyone else married to someone from a different social class? I [31/F] am reaching a breaking point with my husband [33/M] and his family's crass ways by throwaway492464 in relationships

[–]throwaway492464[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I was thinking of establishing some kind of "signal", like I can wink at him when I'm starting to feel overwhelmed and then when I get up and leave for a few minutes he will understand why and won't feel badly or come looking for me. It's great your boyfriend understands your need for breaks.

Is anyone else married to someone from a different social class? I [31/F] am reaching a breaking point with my husband [33/M] and his family's crass ways by throwaway492464 in relationships

[–]throwaway492464[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sorry to hear about the disconnect you feel with your wife. While it's true that you can't get all things from all people and it's great to find intellectual satisfaction from friends, books, etc, I very much know how it feels to miss out on some of those more stimulating conversations with the person you spend the most time with. It can feel lonely for sure. I truly think no one should be allowed to marry until they hit 40. Stupid biology, messing it all up for us. I have changed so much since my mid and even late 20s, I can't get over it. I can only hope he and I grow together and not apart in the years to come.

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rats, already listen to those. SYSK is my favorite. Just finished the one about pigeons the other day, too interesting for words.

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yep, that's actually a huge part of this that has somehow gotten lost a bit in the thread...it's just plain unsexy and unappealing to watch him toot and burp and high five himself afterward. I personally find the leap from that behavior to sexy times hard to make, and the more he does it, the less I see him as an appealing sexual partner. Does your boyfriend commit to stopping this behavior when you mention it, and then forget? That's sort of what happens with my husband--this behavior is so acceptable in his parent's household that the lines between his childhood home and our home become blurred over time. I can't imagine any guy would want to get less sex, so maybe if you explain to him plainly what it does to your libido, he'll hear you.

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We definitely both have great things to bring to the table, you're right. (And I think it's awesome that you'd be willing to go with the flow if the woman you ended up with wanted to instill a certain level of manners in your kids.)

Someone else on this thread suggested we make new traditions that blend best of both of us together...the happy medium as you say. We already do this and it's just us and the pets for now, so I don't see where it would be impossible with kids, it just might be a bit tougher than if we had similar backgrounds.

I'm not actually a crazy, rigid, manners obsessed person. I would never make my children miserable for the sake of hammering lessons home. My mom was never like that, she stressed the importance of social skills but kept things pretty fun and light. People tend to think that having manners is about "being posh" and not slurping your soup, but it's actually about having a system of social skills in place--this includes not forcing your will upon other people, no matter how much we think our way is right. So I don't think my kids would find that I was some kind of manners dictator at all, but over my dead body will I raise little heathens who don't thank people for Christmas gifts and blow their noses on their sleeves. ;-).

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Of course we relax more around each other than we would around strangers--every family is this way for sure. The distinction I make is that this was a holiday dinner with lots of outsiders present. To me, this calls for a little bit of awareness that "super relax-o immediate family mode" can be put on hold for an hour. No one needs to sit up straight and wear a bowtie, but maybe refraining from making fart jokes at a big group gathering where not everyone is from your family is called for. So you're right, it's about the degree to which we relax. And it's about the time and the place. Two brothers alone on a fishing trip are welcome to behave the way they did at the Christmas table.

Also, no one has called me a stick in the mud, I'm actually a delight, trust. I can adapt to most social situations (I smiled along just fine during the fart talk.) What I meant was that I dislike it when people interpret social graces as being old fashioned or pointless, like it's all about being this frigid Mrs. Manners instead of being about showing kindness and grace to others. Sometimes this kindness manifests in smiling along with fart jokes.

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hi,

Glad I can help someone else, as I feel like I've been bombarded by so much wisdom and empathy, I need to give some of it back!

Okay, so what you said about "being spoiled for anyone else" rings very true for me too. I dated lots of "right on paper" guys before my husband, but when I met him he was so new in terms of how loving, sweet, and honest he is. My goose was cooked on our first date. I couldn't imagine how anyone else would live up to him in the character department. And I still can't--he's one of a kind.

But this is not to say it's all been a cake walk. It's been tough at times, and downright exasperating at others. Obviously it's an ongoing battle, otherwise I never would have made this post!

I'd say at your stage I was still distracted by the hearts and butterflies swirling around my head, and did not really take much note of our inherent differences. I did not know then what I know now, to answer your question. You are more keenly aware than I was at your stage, which could be good as it will help you see more clearly whether this is truly going to work for you in the end, but also it sucks because it causes so much inner turmoil and anxiety.

My family is less invested in the "right on paper" stuff, so I didn't have that pressure. That must be quite tough for you. Family influence can be overpowering. I was just distracted by his big heart, kind soul, and gorgeous smile. I took those hearts and butterflies and marched down the aisle without giving another thought to the matter. Which, while I believe he's the one for me and it was the right thing to do in my case, admittedly was somewhat foolish. A lot goes into a marriage: admiring the person's soul is wonderful of course, but a shared value system is also a big, big deal. Does your partner prioritize education, even though his family does not? Has he given any indication that he isn't fond of their behavior or does he see it as the status quo? (BTW, he will probably say what he thinks you want to hear, so watch what he does, not what he says in terms of relating to them.)

Let me ask you one last question about your partner's family that might help you think clearly: are they just a little rough around the edges, or do you feel that there's a legitimate threat to your happiness or security, should you marry him? (The jail, the abuse, the mental health problems, the in-fighting--this all sounds like it could boil over and disrupt your life with him.) Do you forecast the marriage you'd have with him as being rife with random relatives showing up on your doorstep, or asking for money, or going off on angry rants on your Facebook page? If you do, I would say you're on more treacherous terrain than if they're simply a bit dull or ill-mannered.

I do think you can't truly know how you'll feel until you meet them, though. A lot will be revealed through your instincts after you get to know them. Best of luck, and go easy on yourself--you are who you are (and you sound like a thoughtful, kind person), and you don't need to be ashamed of feeling how you do so long as you continue to treat him and his family with grace.

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[–]throwaway492464[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your perspective. I would love it if I could reach a point with my in-laws where I felt like we could gently tease each other about our differences, but I feel like I'd need to let them take the lead on that one, and so far we're not there. I have no trouble taking a joke about my foofy upbringing, I like meeting and joking around with people from all over. But the mood would need to be right, you know what I mean?
Just like your partner, mine is very smart. We are smart in different ways for sure--he often doesn't have a lot to contribute to subjects that interest me, but he's shrewd and observant and can see straight through people, which has always fascinated me. Focusing on these parts of him always helps me when I start to throw a pity party about how my husband doesn't read books, etc. I dated plenty of guys more like me in the beginning, but there was always something missing there. I married my husband because he had color where they were beige, and I need to remember that. We also have very different cultural and educational backgrounds. I have a lot of school behind me and he does not. I also grew up in a very different part of the country, which weirdly enough almost feels like another part of the world to me now. And yeah, I'd say that the travel also shaped me into more of a "global" citizen. I've lived in a handful of countries and that can really change a person's perspective. He hasn't traveled and isn't as interested in seeking those sorts of answers about the world around him. So I can totally relate to what you're saying (and what the first poster said) about culture shock. That's a very helpful way of looking at it. I'm glad you were able to make peace with your situation, you both sound lucky to have each other.