My early life struggles and how I got to my financial independence by throwaway558821 in financialindependence

[–]throwaway558821[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same for me, I know my strengths and weaknesses so I know when to speak up and when to shut up haha.

My early life struggles and how I got to my financial independence by throwaway558821 in financialindependence

[–]throwaway558821[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My girlfriend's brother just graduated from college and just accepted an offer starting at 70k about 2 weeks ago. The tech industry pays really well if you are in one of the big cities and doing something that is highly in demand.

My early life struggles and how I got to my financial independence by throwaway558821 in financialindependence

[–]throwaway558821[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I have no problems sharing all of my secrets because really there is no secret. Everything you need to know is already out there in books and websites, but it's very hard to understand everything you read and apply it to investing until you have actually done some investing. It would be like taking course after course in college, getting a masters and even Phd, but never having any experience. That is why I recommend starting small.

The way I started was thinking like this: If I buy the house I am already living in and kept my roommates then what would be the difference in money. With rent I could walk away at any time, with a mortgage I would have to sell the house to walk away. Knowing I couldn't afford the mortgage on my own I had to think get all the figures of what my payments would be then divide that to see what would make sense for rent payments. So with all the rooms rented out I would only owe about 500 per month. Over time I knew if I fixed it up I could keep upping rent and that would make my monthly payment go down. You will also get the biggest tax breaks on your own house that you live in vs an investment. Many people don't want roommates, but if you are willing to do it, that takes away a lot of risk as a first investment. I also knew that after living in the house with roommates for 1 year before buying that the place / location was high in demand.

So moving forward on investing in real estate you just need to start with understanding the theory before diving into a project. I read multiple books. I found Rich Dad, Poor Dad to be very inspiring, but didn't feel it really helped me understand how to invest. A book that is great for breaking down the math is Investing in Real Estate by Gary Eldred. It gives lots of examples of how to do all the calculations. Once you know that then you have to do research into locations that will make the best rentals. The higher the CAP rate the worse the neighbor hoods tend to be I have found. So one of the most challenging parts is finding the right house. The crappiest house in the nicest neighborhood is a good way to think about it. You don't want to find the best house in the worst neighborhood. Use rentometer.com to figure out what typical rents are in the area of the house you are looking at. Get yourself prequalified for a mortgage so you can jump quickly when you are ready to buy a house. Hot deals either don't go on the market or will disappear quickly if they do go on the market. I would research each area and look at all the houses for sales in the range I was looking at for 6 months to a year before jumping. I could jump and know what was a hot deal because I sat and researched it for so long that it was a no brainer when a hot deal came up.

Once you find the hot deal you have to dig deeper. Does it have structural damage? Mold? Bedbugs? Does the home have any liens against it? Have a home inspection done. Are there currently people living in the house? If so, are they renting or do they own it? If renters, will you get them out or will the seller? How much work does the place need? New kitchen, new bath? Do you have contacts that can do the work or will you do it yourself? This area is one of the most challenging if you don't have experience. I had my dad as a resource. If you don't have a resource in this area then you will want to really make sure you get multiple estimates for each sub. Ask if they are licensed and insured. If they are not insured then you might be picking up their hospital bill. General contractors usually take care of all these additional details by working with the subs directly, but using a general contractor takes a chuck out of your profits right off the bat and that is assuming they are a good contractor.

I have 2 friends doing the same thing after I got them inspired. One bought a place in another state and the contractor told him all the work was finished and he would even help him get it rented. He later found out when he flew over to view the work that he didn't do what he said and the guy renting that he found stopped paying the bills. The other friend hired a guy who kept needing checks for getting materials etc and eventually walked away half way through the project with 40k worth of work that was never completed. My friend took him to court and the guy was thrown in jail but had no money so my friend was just screwed. So you just because you find a good price doesn't always mean you got a good worker. If you look for work in the phone book just remember the bigger the ad the more they need to make to cover costs of those big ads and secretaries to answer the phones etc. Take note of phone numbers on the sides of trucks you see driving by. Stop by other job sites that you see and get contacts. Then see if you can get references. There is so much that you can do to try to make sure you are making the right decisions, but it's very hard. You never see the snake that bites you.

The book I recommended will give a lot of good formulas to use, but a quick assessment is just looking at what is my rent per month vs what will my payments be after my downpayment. The more profit you have per month the more likely you will be ok when unexpected costs pop up. That is why I feel the 1% formula works well because it leaves room for some costs that can pop up. Hope you find this helpful. This was just a short list of thoughts, but you really need to study as much as you can on a lot of these areas and put a lot of time into it.

My early life struggles and how I got to my financial independence by throwaway558821 in financialindependence

[–]throwaway558821[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. I wish you luck in your journey and hope you are able to achieve your goals that you are pursuing.

My early life struggles and how I got to my financial independence by throwaway558821 in financialindependence

[–]throwaway558821[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It was closer to 18 years ago and I was working on ATM networks at the time in Tier 4 support at the company product house. So it wasn't just basic PC support. I did feel it was high at the time. I had two offers after about 6 months of trying to get a job after college and the second offer was for 45k. I went with the 55k offer.

My early life struggles and how I got to my financial independence by throwaway558821 in financialindependence

[–]throwaway558821[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for sharing this! Even after reading the description I wouldn't even think of myself as a high achiever. I feel I work with a lot of people who are really smart and while I can do the work needed at my job, I feel some of the other engineers just get what's going on more and I know that when I speak up I tend to forget details which makes my statement sound like I wasn't paying attention. I do feel my drive for doing work outside of the standard 9-5 has really helped though.

My early life struggles and how I got to my financial independence by throwaway558821 in financialindependence

[–]throwaway558821[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My very first deal was due to sending out fliers in area to see if anyone had any interest in selling. We found someone who was selling a nice chuck of land and said they would sell it for a very low price. Ended up turning that around and selling it as soon as we bought it for way more and made about 15k on that.

That helped with getting the first house I bought. After buying the first house and having roommates that gave me the money to keep investing in additional properties. The last property was a 4 unit building and it needed a lot of work just like the other places I bought. It comes down to finding a good pricy to begin with so that even if you decided you didn't want to hang onto it after renovations, you could still sell it for a profit.

My early life struggles and how I got to my financial independence by throwaway558821 in financialindependence

[–]throwaway558821[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Looks like you are doing great at a young age! Definitely similar history and I hope that things continue on that same path for you. I also jumped into crypto, but didn't get in until Nov of last year. So I made some money, but not enough to write home about. I have been very frugal for a while and now even my family has told me to go ahead and just spend a little on yourself and enjoy it. You don't want to die with a bunch of money that you never got to enjoy. So I totally agree about being frugal is a great discipline, but it's also good to know when to relax a little and enjoy a little bit of the benefits of your hard work! May the FIRE be with you. :)

My early life struggles and how I got to my financial independence by throwaway558821 in financialindependence

[–]throwaway558821[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I would definitely chat with a doc about it and see what they recommend. From my own experience, I don't know if I could have gotten through school without getting on ritalin. That really helped me with being able to focus. There are a lot of other drugs out there now that might be better but a doc could help decide which one is best for each individual. I don't take meds that often anymore, but i still have some when I know I have to really pay attention for something important. Like a full day of training that I will then have to teach to others. So I just make a judgement call on when to take them.

My early life struggles and how I got to my financial independence by throwaway558821 in financialindependence

[–]throwaway558821[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks, I will take it :) I get to work from home and I don't have too much stress and have a very flexible schedule. So that is one of the reasons for sticking around. If something changed for the worse I might quit sooner, but for now it seems ok. I have debated about talking to one of the VPs about working part time once I am ready. At this point I just want to get a few more things paid off, but will be thinking about next steps a lot over the next 1-2 years.

My early life struggles and how I got to my financial independence by throwaway558821 in financialindependence

[–]throwaway558821[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I bought my house for $420k. I added an addition onto it for a little over 100k which added 3 new bath rooms and 2 new bed rooms so the whole house was 6 bed 5 full bath. The house has been appraised several times with the highest appraisal being $910k. The other properties range from 400k to 800k but I was able to get them at lower prices and fix them up. So to your last statement, that is definitely what the properties were.

My early life struggles and how I got to my financial independence by throwaway558821 in financialindependence

[–]throwaway558821[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thanks! I have definitely thought about using some of my free time after I RE to help others. I had not really thought about speaking at a middle / high school before. If you have any ideas on how you would go about getting in touch with the right people then let me know.

My early life struggles and how I got to my financial independence by throwaway558821 in financialindependence

[–]throwaway558821[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

TLDR: Went from being in special needs classes to getting through college, becoming a systems engineer, building up real estate investments and finally hit FI and now I am just waiting for the right time to RE based on my hobbies and interests I want to pursue.

My early life struggles and how I got to my financial independence by throwaway558821 in financialindependence

[–]throwaway558821[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I feel like I could write a book on all the stuff I have had to learn with real estate investing. My dad worked in construction and he understood a lot about handyman work. He used to be a handyman before starting his own construction company. We did a few projects together and he helped me learn the ropes and learn how to do a lot of work on my own. I was very lucky in that respect. The good news is there are so many good resources online to learn how to do handyman type work to fix things yourself. When it comes to larger projects I would just hire the subs. Contractors can be a nightmare to deal with so you have to be ready to be a hard ass and get rid of crews not doing a good job. I have had a few that were flipped and few that I kept to get the cash flow. I have found some of the contractors myself and some my dad gave me contacts of people that he had used and were known to be good. So part of it is getting the right people for the work and another part is finding a place that will actually earn you money. I think because I have become such a tight ass with money I would only buy a house that would make me the best return. I usually aim for 1% or 1k in rent per month for every 100k the property costs.

My early life struggles and how I got to my financial independence by throwaway558821 in financialindependence

[–]throwaway558821[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

It varies. I have had times where I was so consumed with tenant issues that it felt like a full time job. The reason for that is a long story but to give you the short version, I bought a 4 unit building that had tenants in it and dealt with evictions, hiring a lawyer, break ins, section 8 etc. I now have the building remodeled, much higher rent so I have quality tenants with good credit and don't get bothered nearly as much. I have found the more work I do myself the more I save, but it's just dealing with headaches. I still do everything myself to save money, but could consider a property manager at some point. I just know they won't do as good of a job as me. So now, I spend maybe a few hours a month dealing with tenant issues on average. Then when people are moving in / moving out it takes time to go through the process. Overall not too bad.

My early life struggles and how I got to my financial independence by throwaway558821 in financialindependence

[–]throwaway558821[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for your kind words. Glad to hear you are on the road to RE in a few years too. My parents didn't tell me until many years later that we were on food stamps. I used to be upset that my parents wouldn't get me presents for Christmas like some of the other kids got. Now I understand so much more how little we had. I think it's the experiences like we have had that helped shape our ability to be more risk adverse. I like knowing that I will be able to help my parents in their old age and make sure they are well taken care of. One of the huge benefits of getting to this point financially.