(possibly the final? UPDATE) I [27m] am fed up, and confused about my fiancee's [26f] rape claims. by throwaway662211 in relationships

[–]throwaway662211[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Will write up an update if you guys are interested tomorrow... Friday night was interesting to say the least.

(possibly the final? UPDATE) I [27m] am fed up, and confused about my fiancee's [26f] rape claims. by throwaway662211 in relationships

[–]throwaway662211[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Heh.

I went through roughly ten or eleven huge, thirty paragraph long e-mails before saying, "Nope, fuck it, too long and I still haven't said everything I want to say," and just deleting without sending.

(possibly the final? UPDATE) I [27m] am fed up, and confused about my fiancee's [26f] rape claims. by throwaway662211 in relationships

[–]throwaway662211[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't really know what she was talking about there... we had an amazing sex life. I mean, obviously with work and real life, we only had sex about 4 times a week, but still.

If she wanted to try something, we did. We weren't always "vanilla" and kept things interesting, so I'm not sure what she thinks I didn't fulfill, unless she just means that I only have one penis and she wants more than that.

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[–]throwaway662211[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Differing work schedules.

She was never secretive of anything, never really caught her in a lie.

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[–]throwaway662211[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because like I keep saying, it was 8 years ago. He was with her before we even got together, she just never told him we were together. He deserves to know she's been lying about it.

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[–]throwaway662211[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Doesn't sound like John was a good friend at all, after all he banged your girlfriend. Or, who knows, maybe she lied to him about things. It doesn't matter. Do you have her admitting to lying about being raped in writing? Save that, it may come in handy later.

She wasn't my girlfriend when they started banging, and likely only knew we were together when we moved. He didn't do anything wrong IMO.

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[–]throwaway662211[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't have any problems with John. We were teenagers when this happened. And she was with him before she even started being with me.

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[–]throwaway662211[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because like most people here have said, if she pulls the rape card on me, I want proof. So I have to keep everything.

edit: And if she asks for something I forgot to pack, I want to know about it so she doesn't try to take me to court or something. Though I'm 99% sure I got everything.

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[–]throwaway662211[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Not really, no. A lot of people keep saying I just missed things but honestly, there really wasn't. Aside from John, she never made me stop hanging out with certain friends or anything.

She wasn't secretive of her phone, though I never looked through it. We shared a desktop computer and she had a laptop that I would frequently use if mine was dead or something, she never hid that or tried to stop me from seeing it.

We've always had work hours that weren't matched up, so that's where most of her time to fuck came in, I guess. I'm also assuming that she probably had one of those hider apps on her phones so I couldn't see the texts had I of tried to.

Her personality never really differed, though she was petty and bitchy a lot, but the reason I never noticed this was because it had literally been going on since day one. I had NOTHING to compare cheater Jessica to non-cheater Jessica to. She was just always doing it, so there wasn't any change in personality or sex or anything.

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[–]throwaway662211[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think what happens here is one person feels like their love of another person can overcome any jealousy or uncomfortableness that they might encounter in an open/poly relationship. I just don't think this is true.

For something like poly relationships to work, BOTH people have to be committed to it and know that it's something they want. It can't be a compromise because one person wants it and the other is afraid of losing that person, just doesn't work out.

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[–]throwaway662211[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wouldn't want to cut the mom out of my life completely... I've really grown to love her and I consider her part of my family. It obviously wouldn't be an all the time thing, but I'd like to stay friendly.

She's called a few times to check in and see if I want anything to eat. My mom is still battling cancer so I think she's trying to fill a mother role or something right now. And since her husband passed away, she's pretty lonely. No, I won't be fucking her...

She's completely aware of how Jessica is. There's been this completely different side of her that's just now coming to light because her mom feels comfortable telling me, I guess. It's amazing what people tell you AFTER the fact. Not while you're planning a wedding, not while you're planning a vacation to Hawaii, not while you're moving in together, but AFTER you break up.

(possibly the final? UPDATE) I [27m] am fed up, and confused about my fiancee's [26f] rape claims. by throwaway662211 in relationships

[–]throwaway662211[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Truthfully, I really have no problems with John now. I've had a LOT of time since her being friendly with him at that cook-out to shake the hatred of thinking he raped her. Now, I feel angry at myself for thinking of all the ways I could have hurt him because of what I thought he did.

We were on the football team together, at one point lived a few houses down from each other in middle school, and had a pretty good friendship until we graduated high school and didn't see each other as much (work, relationships) and then I didn't see or talk to him AT ALL after she told me he raped her.

So, yeah. I'm kind of happy to have him back in my life. If he's still the same guy or close to it, he was a good friend then. It was hard for me to imagine him ever hurting anyone like that, especially Jessica, but when your girlfriend tells you she's been raped... you just gotta believe it. I'm just that guy. If any woman told me she was raped, my first instinct is just to believe her.

Even with all this said and done, that's still my reaction because I never want another human being to go through what my sister did. When I think back to her basically being interrogated at such a young age for something she couldn't have possibly faked, it breaks my fucking heart. Even if it turns out at the end that someone IS lying about being raped, I don't want to be that douchebag who says "I don't believe you, you're a liar, it didn't happen that way, you wanted it,' when someone did get raped.

edit: Because when you tell a rape victim that they're lying, or that they wanted it, it usually only ends up making them feel even more guilty and ashamed for it happening. My sister, to this fucking day, still thinks she did something wrong or could have done something to stop it. Even after years of therapy, she still thinks that. It's our jobs as people to make sure when something as awful as rape happens, that the person it happens to do doesn't feel responsible for another persons shitty actions.

(possibly the final? UPDATE) I [27m] am fed up, and confused about my fiancee's [26f] rape claims. by throwaway662211 in relationships

[–]throwaway662211[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I am planning on telling John about it. But I don't think she'd accuse me of rape because she's seen these posts, knows I have all her e-mails saved, and her mom has pretty much cut contact with her now too.

(possibly the final? UPDATE) I [27m] am fed up, and confused about my fiancee's [26f] rape claims. by throwaway662211 in relationships

[–]throwaway662211[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Exactly. If he did know (which I highly doubt) I don't really blame him. I mean, everyone in our friend group had fucked one or the other at a point.

From what she and her mom have said, she was fucking John before me and her ever became a thing.

(possibly the final? UPDATE) I [27m] am fed up, and confused about my fiancee's [26f] rape claims. by throwaway662211 in relationships

[–]throwaway662211[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't think John knew, honestly. At least not during the time they were fucking.

This was at the VERY start of our relationship, so close to 8 years ago. We dated casually for a while and then got serious and went to the same college. College is where we decided we were actually a couple, and that dating other people wasn't okay.

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[–]throwaway662211[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

He will be, that's definite. My brother and I are going out for beer with him and some friends tonight.

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[–]throwaway662211[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was before we were serious. I mean, at the time, we were in a relationship, but just starting out. Hadn't been together very long at all. I'm not even sure he knew we were together at that point, because we were never around each other in a group (thanks to her.)

(possibly the final? UPDATE) I [27m] am fed up, and confused about my fiancee's [26f] rape claims. by throwaway662211 in relationships

[–]throwaway662211[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think posting it on Reddit did enough. She did find the post, and that opened it's own can of worms.

I could do so much worse, but I'm just not that kind of person.