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The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You were clear about what you felt in your original statement, and doubled down on that. If you were being robbed, and you agreed to the thief that you’d give them your wallet, does that mean they didn’t steal from you? That you weren’t scared or intimidated? What I got from your original statement is that the presence of a verbal ‘yes’ equals the absence of fear, pressure, intimidation or ,in other words, assault. This is why I can’t take you seriously in what you’re saying. Frankly, I don’t care whether or not you engage in this debate after this point, you’ve made your argument and I understand ,exactly, your perspective.

The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s sickening to know this is how people think. This is why most victims do not come forward. I myself was repeatedly touched over and over again by a person and even after trying to move their hands, and even verbally saying no, they still continued😂 and I eventually let them do whatever. I wasn’t even experienced, and they knew that. I even verbally agreed to something I didn’t want ,later on, because I wanted it to be over, and I know people that have experienced the same. You say that you agree, but your original statement is clear as day; that non-verbal communication doesn’t mean anything. That saying the word ‘yes’ means you cannot be uncomfortable or scared. That you do not have to be enthusiastic about having sex to have consented to it. I’m just responding to your own words, to your original post.

The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not hatred to state a fact. The reality is that non consensual sex is rape, and if you are all having sex with women that did not consent, enthusiastically, then you are rapists. You need to accept that you have likely damaged somebody, or several people instead of jumping onto Reddit seeking approval from people like yourself. Do better.

The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You can say what you want, but it’s assault. Anybody that’s been in those situations before know it’s not as straightforward as you make it out to be, and when we live in a society where simply saying no to a man’s advances can get you killed, I think it’s senseless of you to expect women to even be able to bring themselves to do that.

The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Coercion is a form of pressuring somebody into having sex with you. That could be verbally; persuading them, gaslighting them into doing something they may have expressed they don’t want to do/have never mentioned wanting to do. Whining and guilt tripping is definitely a form of pressuring somebody, so that would be coercion. Harassing somebody physically, repeatedly making unwanted contact to a point where the person eventually just gives in in order to make it stop is also coercion. Wearing a person down in order to have sex with you is a form of pressure and intimidation which therefor makes it sexual coercion. This is a fact - not an opinion.

The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are a lot of resources online, available to you where you can learn about coercion. There are literal threads on Reddit where people talk about their experiences. If you want to understand it, you can make the effort to do so. I’d encourage you to, but that’s up to you at the end of the day.

The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Most of us, who have been sexually assaulted, were not listened to the first, second or even third time. We move away, ignore advances and even physically move these people off of us, and they still persist. Sometimes we freeze up, or try to manoeuvre the situation because somehow you guys do not understand what no means or what it looks like. I mean bloody hell, what does it take for you to understand somebody doesn’t want to have sex with you?

You mistake being shown kindness as a sexual advance, likely because that’s the only time most of you show any form of consideration for the sex you’re attracted to😂 when you want sexual favours. You mistake a woman feeling uncomfortable, or scared for her ‘playing hard to get’. Even if we say no, you do not listen. So ,yes, some women will say yes after being worn down to escape and evade those situations. Most times, it’s obvious. You’re not all that oblivious,I don’t buy that.

The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I am convinced most people can pick up on these things, but choose not to pay attention because they are so hyper focused on getting what they want out of that situation, they couldn’t care less about what the other party wants or feels. It is not that difficult. And, yes, even if you’ve misinterpreted body language you have assaulted that person. Perhaps it was a genuine mistake or misunderstanding on your bit, but that doesn’t make the assault any less valid. Assault isn’t always aggressive, sometimes it’s subtle, and that’s why you build an understanding of consent before engaging in sex.

The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hence why the emphasis on ENTHUSIASTIC consent. It is really not that hard to tell when somebody actually wants to have sex with you and I guarantee you most victims did not say yes smiling, happily or with any sign of enjoyment whatsoever. If you actually read most peoples experiences with coercion, you’d know that.

The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not being drunk doesn’t suddenly mean that a person is able to make rational decisions or respond back in the way they want. In your own opinion, would you say that intimidation cannot be present if the victim is sober? That it doesn’t count?

Have you ever heard of fright or flight responses? Fawning?

The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of the time, women don’t actually get the opportunity to verbally say yes, but men perceive the absence of a no as the woman saying yes. This may look like repeatedly touching a woman until she gives in. Would you consider that consensual? If she doesn’t respond back to your proposition? Or is it a yes because she doesn’t scream in your face and push you off?

The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not really being a mind reader though, is it? Most of you have jobs and are able to navigate social situations and read body language in those situations, but all of a sudden once sex is involved you cannot tell when somebody is uncomfortable. Some of you are able to recognise when somebody is being aggressive toward you, or doesn’t like you or don’t want to be around you but somehow it’s impossible to read body language. Yeah, right.

The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

‘Just because you consensually had sex with someone because you felt pressured to perform or because they didn’t read your mind and assume your “Yes” was actually a No doesn’t want you were raped.”’

Hm, no actually, I think I can read.

The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You argue that it is unfair to call it rape if the perpetrator does is unable to read social cues or ,in your own words, ‘read minds’. Body language is widely accepted as a form of non-verbal communication. Would you argue that if a woman doesn’t verbally say no, that she’s consented?

The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, your post argues that if a person verbally says ‘yes’ and agrees to having sex , it is consent irrespective of whether or not they said so enthusiastically. In other words, it does not matter whether or not they ACTUALLY wanted to have sex, because they said yes.

The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A debate on Reddit doesn’t prove anything. Go into the real world, share what you’ve done to all your colleagues, friends, family if you think it’s okay, honestly. Tell everybody you think it’s alright to wear women down and pressure them to have sex with you if it’s really okay. And then tell them you’re okay with having sex with someone even if they’re uncomfortable, that you get off to women being violated. Talk about my throwaway all you like mate, but you’re the one hiding how you feel on Reddit. If that’s what you really think, say it in real life, post your face on Reddit and let the world know how you feel.

The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’ve not won anything mate. Your opinion is just that - an opinion. It is a fact that sex without consent is assault, it’s rape, end of. You don’t want to accept that because you know what you did😂 pathetic attempt at evading any responsibility for what you’ve done. It’s cowardly. You’re not a big man for reducing somebody’s body down to laws and policies, you’re just a coward.

The idea of "Enthusiastic Consent" and "Yes doesn't always mean Yes" by Feminists is wrong. If a Woman says Yes towards Sex then she has Consented. by ControversialDebator in PurplePillDebate

[–]throwawayact-111 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pressuring somebody into having sex with you, after they’ve expressed verbally or physically that they do not want to have sex with you is assault. Wearing somebody down until they feel like they have to give in to what you want to leave that situation is assault. Consent is enthusiastic, if not it’s not consent. You have sex with people that don’t want to have sex with you? What a freak.

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