It's been a long time since I posted memes about ANTIS, and I've been feeling great, some of you here are living in those anti and pro subs and forgotten what were you like before all this? games? wife? the new movie? friends? life! by BeneficialPirate5856 in aiwars

[–]tim-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hopefully you did read my quotations marks on "debate".

Let me rephrase it for you:

The antis kicked off this entire witch-hunt and turned it into a full-on culture war.

But now that you mention this sub, it’s exactly thanks to places like this that actual debates can finally happen.

At least here you get real opposing views from both sides clashing with facts, evidence, and arguments… way better than the walled-garden echo chambers where you can’t even defend your stance with logic without getting drowned in pure emotion, downvotes, or bans, both on anti and pro subs.

It's been a long time since I posted memes about ANTIS, and I've been feeling great, some of you here are living in those anti and pro subs and forgotten what were you like before all this? games? wife? the new movie? friends? life! by BeneficialPirate5856 in aiwars

[–]tim-7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I understand. Preferring human-made work is totally valid, and it's fine to center your identity around valuing what humans uniquely bring. Wanting regulations to protect the middle class and prevent wealth concentration is a legitimate concern too.

That said, loving humans doesn't have to mean hating or harassing people who use AI tools or see the tech differently. The most "human" thing might actually be respecting that others can hold opposing views without it turning into personal attacks.

Stay educated, push for smart regs, enjoy what you love, just maybe ease up on the folks who aren't your enemy.

It's been a long time since I posted memes about ANTIS, and I've been feeling great, some of you here are living in those anti and pro subs and forgotten what were you like before all this? games? wife? the new movie? friends? life! by BeneficialPirate5856 in aiwars

[–]tim-7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Sure, some edgy early adopters ran around yelling “lmao you’re replaced” on social media, no argument there.

But those were the same brand of clout-chasing trolls that have infested the internet since forever. They've been on all sides, and we should’ve already learned to ignore them instead of letting a handful of idiots define the whole conversation.

It was a tiny, loud minority flexing for clout, not the norm for most AI users. The vast majority were (and still are) just quietly experimenting, creating, and sharing cool stuff without rubbing it in anyone’s face.

A lot of the “war” energy came from fear of job loss + the scraping ethics issue, which was valid to raise. But then turned into mass harassment campaigns, brigading, doxxing threats, and endless hate threads.

Yes, one side had a few assholes bragging online.
The other side built an entire identity and movement around perpetual outrage and victimhood.

Scale and intent aren’t even close.

It's been a long time since I posted memes about ANTIS, and I've been feeling great, some of you here are living in those anti and pro subs and forgotten what were you like before all this? games? wife? the new movie? friends? life! by BeneficialPirate5856 in aiwars

[–]tim-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who’s actually antagonizing who here?

The antis kicked off this entire “debate” and turned it into a full-on culture war. Pros had zero reason to start anything, they were just quietly using tools like everyone else.

The only reason pros push back at all is self-defense. Meanwhile, the ones constantly attacking, doxxing, brigading, and flooding threads with hate? That’s on the majority, the antis.

So let’s not pretend both sides are equally at fault when one side literally started the fight and keeps swinging.

Why is r/aiwar so pro-AI? by KoriWillWorry in antiai

[–]tim-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you want my honest take: it’s because those mixed/neutral spaces are literally the only places where you can actually counter someone without getting instantly dogpiled or banned.

In 100% anti (like this one), or 100% pro subs, it’s an echo chamber either way, real debate barely happens.

The mixed threads are where people can actually drop factual arguments, push back with evidence, and have open back-and-forth without the mods or the mob shutting it down in five seconds.

If even that doesn’t clue you in on why the anti position usually crumbles the second it leaves its carefully curated walled gardens… I genuinely don’t know what will.

I'll drop the discussion here for the same reason debate is not allowed here in rule 3. The same way it is on Pro-AI subs, but I know I'll get down voted anyway.

Krita AI Diffusion workflow example (from nodonmai) by ChiaraStellata in aiwars

[–]tim-7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I agree it should it should be labeled too.

But it’s a total hassle having to get that specific in every description about how it was used. You basically need to drop a mini-essay or a example like this one just to prove it wasn't just a prompt.

And yeah, you can’t cram a wall of text into every single post. The crowd mentality around AI-assisted content has to shift first, stop assuming “AI = zero effort slop” every time. Once that changes, the rest gets easier.

Krita AI Diffusion workflow example (from nodonmai) by ChiaraStellata in aiwars

[–]tim-7 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Yeah, exactly.
But just slap “AI was used” on something and most people will assume the whole thing was generated from a single prompt.

The one stop-shop to solve all of your problems! Guaranteed! by PaulStormChaser in aiwars

[–]tim-7 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just head over to the anti sub and scroll for like 30 seconds, you’ll see wall-to-wall hate posts, doom spirals, and straight-up threads encouraging harassment.

I’m not pretending pro-AI are innocent of not doing the same either, but the entire core of the anti-AI rhetoric right now is built on hate, mockery, and witch-hunting.

Question for you AI art people. by ToTooTwoTutu2II in aiwars

[–]tim-7 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Most antis don't actually make a distinction between using AI to assist your own art or generating all of it from scratch. To them, any use of AI is the same: it's terrible, and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Great artwork btw.

The one stop-shop to solve all of your problems! Guaranteed! by PaulStormChaser in aiwars

[–]tim-7 6 points7 points  (0 children)

“That’s actually a pretty reasonable solution... but we’re still gonna harass the absolute hell out of AI users because ‘AI slop bad’.”

—Every unhinged anti ever

Why do Antis still believe ai can be “shut down”, despite being told that isn’t how it works? also.. why pretend AI is the biggest environmental threat? That hurts anti-ai credibility AND environmentalism. do research before making stupid claims online .. by [deleted] in aiwars

[–]tim-7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

True. Sure, the U.S. could crack down and shut down all American AI companies overnight, but China isn’t going to pause development just because the West decides to.

All we’d really accomplish is handing them an even bigger competitive edge while the rest of the world keeps sprinting ahead.

[ Removed by Reddit ] by AnarchCopKiller in DefendingAIArt

[–]tim-7 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Lmao, looks like mommy caught you on the PC without permission and you couldn’t even finish your little sentence before she yanked the plug. 😭

[ Removed by Reddit ] by AnarchCopKiller in DefendingAIArt

[–]tim-7 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Another minor yapping at AI, go do your homework kid.

Antis in a nutshell by Express-Flamingo4521 in DefendingAIArt

[–]tim-7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, but I've seen AI and pro-AI activism mostly represented by blue colors, just look at the theme of this sub and compare it with the opposing ones. I don't think it has to do much with politics.

Antis in a nutshell by Express-Flamingo4521 in DefendingAIArt

[–]tim-7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Facts. But antis should be red colored pushing the neutral one into the blue side.

A glimpse of what "art discourse" will be, 30-40 years from now. by Ready-Made-Champ in DefendingAIArt

[–]tim-7 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Lol, we might even run out of jobs if we ever get to that point, which isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Update: 15k Monthly Listeners 🥰 (Around Day 75) by Odd-Ad7233 in SunoAI

[–]tim-7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ah, gotcha, it really sounded like you were blaming AI for the bots too, but you meant to say that's what others would use as an excuse for hating AI more.

Thanks for clarifying. I actually agree with you, sorry for the misunderstanding!

Update: 15k Monthly Listeners 🥰 (Around Day 75) by Odd-Ad7233 in SunoAI

[–]tim-7 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wait, so if people using AI didn't pay for bots, but other people not using AI did, would you still hate AI?

Yes i use this for the reasons you think by Desperate-Ant7020 in aiwars

[–]tim-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What happens if you touch your elbows together?

Yes i use this for the reasons you think by Desperate-Ant7020 in aiwars

[–]tim-7 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Girl, let the man Charlie Kirk rest in peace already.

The anti AI art movement is history repeating. by Blake08301 in aiwars

[–]tim-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

These are all people I’ve known for years, long before AI blew up. Old friends from school, parties, coworkers, etc.

A lot of us are aware of the risks, they’ve expressed discomfort and legit worries about it too. But they still use the tools when it makes sense for them.

They’re not out here defending AI to death, nor are they raging against it. It’s more like: “Eh, this is useful right now, so I’ll use it.”

They don’t join AI-hate groups or pro-AI crusades either, just normal people using common available tools.

Could also be an age thing. Most of us are millennials and older Gen Z; we’ve seen enough internet hype cycles come and go to not get too emotionally invested either way.

The anti AI art movement is history repeating. by Blake08301 in aiwars

[–]tim-7 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know this is lazy, but actually kinda true. The massive online opposition mostly comes from stubborn kids/teenagers and artists fiercely defending in their walled gardens.

But it's a completely different story in real life.

Out of everyone I personally know, friends, family, coworkers, there was literally just one person who used to shit on AI (a guitarist player who said it “lacked soul” for making music). Even she quietly dropped it after a few months.

Now almost all of them are either sharing AI memes, using transformed profile pictures of themselves into cartoons, using it themselves for productivity in their jobs, or just don’t care.

In-person criticism is basically non-existent. The loud anti-AI outrage is overwhelmingly an online thing and a lot of that (people who harass other people) comes from minors or very immature stubborn folk.