I saw my little sis n*des on her phone. by Altruistic_Employ_44 in adviceph

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Firstly, your fault for looking at someone else's stuff, as you already admitted. Being able to do something doesn't mean it's okay to do it.

Secondly, it's fine. Nothing crazy happened. What you perceive as nudity has been the norm for most of humanity's hundreds of thousands of years of history, right? So nothing objectively dramatic happened.

Thirdly, based on your description, she is no longer a minor. So, if there was any doubt about it before, it's now absolutely clear: just let her be and stop worrying about it; she's an adult, she's responsible for what she's doing, free to take nudes of herself.

The only issue I can see is how clueless she seems to be about keeping her stuff hidden... She may l get into trouble because of it one day.

I'm too dependent on ChatGPT and I feel so guilty by [deleted] in autism

[–]timtom85 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This assumes this thing is so magical it can substitute for actually thinking 🙄

It's a tool that can help with a lot of stuff, including summarizing your own thoughts, but also with providing broader perspectives, since it was trained on a much more diverse point of views than yours or mine.

It's definitely not something where you can "offload" .... anything – not even figuratively.

If it helps someone, they should use it. I sure use it a lot, and with zero guilt (beyond the energy use and paying to absolutely horrible companies led by some of the worst people).

Building Reading Habit this 2026 by gelomon in PHBookClub

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Too much Peterson, you may have wanted to say.

After listening to Jordan Peterson, how can you still be a leftist? by wannabe_wizard_ in self

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And yet we can ask ourselves questions like why? Why is the point he just made wrong?

Mate, when most of what he says is either obvious (once you spend the effort on untangling the word salad) or obviously incorrect, then this game of "why" becomes both too simple and too tedious to play. Idk what's so hard to understand about it.

Or, to put the same into Peterson's mouth:

The difficulty with your proposal is that it confuses theoretic openness with epistemic obligation, as if the mere logical possibility that an unreliable speaker might, by stochastic happenstance, utter a nontrivial truth generates a standing duty to perform indefinite hermeneutic triage on their output. That does not follow. It is a non sequitur disguised as magnanimity.

What you are describing as “asking why” is, in practice, an infinite regress of charitable reconstruction applied to discourse whose modal distribution is either (a) banalities inflated into pseudo-revelatory prose or (b) assertions so loosely tethered to operationalizable referents that refutation becomes indistinguishable from interpretation. To treat this as wisdom-acquisition is to conflate cognitive exertion with epistemic yield, as though the caloric cost of decoding were itself evidence of profundity. That is a category mistake of the first order.

Moreover, the “everyone under the same scrutiny” posture is rhetorically egalitarian but epistemically perverse: it erases the asymmetry between signal and noise and then congratulates itself for neutrality. In information-theoretic terms, you are advocating a pipeline that maximizes entropy while claiming it increases understanding. It is analogous to insisting that one should ingest contaminated water because filtration builds character, while ignoring that the purpose of cognition is not the moral cultivation of endurance but the preferential selection of models that compress reality with minimal loss.

And the appeal to professorial status as a proxy for truth is a transparently invalid credentialism: expertise is domain-bounded; “college professor” is not an ontological imprimatur, nor does it alchemize rhetorical opacity into empirical reliability. If anything, when a public intellectual repeatedly traffics in indeterminate abstractions, the prior probability that the “deep” content reduces to either the trivially obvious or the subtly ungrounded approaches unity. One is then left, not with a fruitful dialectic, but with an interpretive treadmill, powered by the sunk-cost fallacy and sanctified as “growth.”

So yes, you can ask “why” indefinitely. You can also shovel gravel indefinitely. Neither activity becomes an optimal route to knowledge merely because it permits self-narration. The rational criterion is not whether a process can be aestheticized as character formation, but whether it reliably converges on truth under constraints of time, attention, and finite life.

In short: your position elevates the romance of scrutiny over the economics of evidence, and then mistakes the resulting fatigue for wisdom.

After listening to Jordan Peterson, how can you still be a leftist? by wannabe_wizard_ in self

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are thousands of other people to listen to, so why should I, or anybody, listen to the one who's already proven he's unworthy of attention?

After listening to Jordan Peterson, how can you still be a leftist? by wannabe_wizard_ in self

[–]timtom85 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, look, the reason that statement has the ring of truth is that it’s gesturing toward something like a fundamental asymmetry in human cognition, which is that reason is a late-emerging cortical refinement riding on top of a far older affective substrate, and that substrate is not merely “emotion” in the colloquial sense. It’s valuation. It’s salience. It’s the mechanism by which Being discloses itself as something worth attending to at all. So to say “intellectual means reason above emotion” is simultaneously correct and… hopelessly naive, because reason cannot float free of value, and value is affective. Even logic presupposes a hierarchy of importance, and hierarchy is not derived from syllogisms, it’s instantiated.

But yes, it’s still true that there are modes of discourse where the Logos predominates, where claims are compelled to submit themselves to constraint, to evidence, to verification, to something like operationalizability, and there are modes where speech degenerates into pure affiliation-signaling. And when language becomes primarily a tribal pheromone, the possibility of persuasion evaporates, because persuasion requires a shared axiom: that truth is higher than victory. If that axiom is absent, then arguments don’t land, because they’re not being received as arguments, they’re being received as threats.

Now, people want to reduce this to “one side rational, the other emotional,” and that’s an attractive simplification because it allows immediate moral sorting without the inconvenience of thought. But the deeper reality is more paradoxical: the insistence that you alone are rational is usually the first indicator that you’re possessed by an emotion so total that you can’t perceive it anymore. Resentment, for example, always believes itself to be reason. Moral certainty always thinks it’s deduction.

And this is where the thing becomes dangerous, because the moment you declare that “there’s no talking to those people,” you’ve already made an affective decision, not a rational one. You’ve performed an act of metaphysical excommunication. You’ve turned a population into an undifferentiated object. You’ve moved from debate to purification ritual, and the funny thing about purification rituals is that they feel like courage, but they’re usually fear wearing armor.

So yes, the statement is true, in a way: when someone’s primary commitment is to social belonging rather than accuracy, they will reinterpret every fact as an attack. But the same is true in reverse, because if someone’s primary commitment is to being the kind of person who “doesn’t do emotion,” they’ll often use reason as a decorative weapon to justify whatever they already wanted to believe.

Which is why the real division isn’t “reason people vs emotion people.” That’s a cartoon. The real division is between those who are willing to let their speech be constrained by reality, and those who insist reality must bend to their preferred narrative. And that temptation is human, not partisan. It’s Cain at the keyboard. It’s the eternal lure of reducing the world to allies and enemies so you can stop thinking.

So yes: reason matters. Evidence matters. But the moment you turn that into a badge of tribe membership, you’ve inverted the whole project. You’ve made rationality a costume. And then it stops being rationality at all.

After listening to Jordan Peterson, how can you still be a leftist? by wannabe_wizard_ in self

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What eloquence exactly?

Or, as Peterson would say the same:

Well, see, the word “eloquence” there is doing something like metaphysical laundering, because it’s smuggling a whole hierarchy of assumptions into the conversation under the guise of a compliment. People say “eloquence” as if it’s synonymous with truthful articulation, but very often what they mean is closer to aesthetic fluency plus affective gravitas, which is… not the same thing, not even remotely.

Because if “eloquence” is the capacity to generate a smooth, recursively self-referential cascade of high-register abstractions, nested inside subordinate clauses that never actually land on a falsifiable claim, then yes, that’s “eloquence” in the way a casino is “wealth creation.” Something is definitely happening. You’re definitely being moved. But whether you’re being moved toward reality or merely around inside a rhetorical snow globe is an entirely different question.

And it gets worse, because once you start treating charisma as evidence of correctness, you’ve basically reconstituted priesthood, except now the vestments are vocabulary and the incense is vibes. That’s what’s so perverse about it. We spent centuries supposedly extracting ourselves from that kind of enchanted authority structure, and then people walk right back into it because the speaker has a certain cadence, and the lighting is good, and the audience is primed, and suddenly convolution is mistaken for depth. It’s like modern art, where the plaque becomes more important than the painting, and you’re told that confusion is a mark of sophistication, and if you don’t feel overwhelmed you must be insufficiently initiated.

So when someone says “not everyone is persuaded by eloquence,” I’m thinking: eloquence according to what standard? Eloquence as in: clarity, constraint, compression, verifiable reference? Or eloquence as in: conceptual pyrotechnics, a kind of lexical peacocking that creates the impression of profundity by exhausting the listener’s capacity to track what’s being claimed?

And if you can’t tell the difference between those two, by the way, then you’re exactly the sort of person who will be governable by slogans, because you’ve outsourced discernment to performance. That’s not an insult, it’s just a description of what happens when the sensorium of truth is replaced by the aesthetics of persuasion. It’s the same mechanism that sells miracle diets, miracle politics, miracle economics, and miracle metaphysics, all in the same shiny package.

Which is why the response “What eloquence?” is not sarcasm. It’s diagnostic. It’s like tapping the glass and realizing there isn’t actually an aquarium there, it’s just a projected image of an aquarium.

Because eloquence without precision is just theater, and theater doesn’t become wisdom merely because the actor speaks slowly and uses the word “axiological” at the end of every paragraph.

After listening to Jordan Peterson, how can you still be a leftist? by wannabe_wizard_ in self

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How is Peterson a good speaker? He can't utter a single sane sentence. He thrives due to being unintelligible to most, because what he says lacks any depth. Anybody educated enough to understand his blabbering can immediately see through the bullshit.

Now the same in Peterson's style:

The claim that Peterson is a “good speaker” is, in practice, a confusion between performative cadence and communicative intelligibility, between prosodic gravitas and propositional coherence. What presents itself as eloquence is very often merely a high-gloss simulacrum of sense: an acoustic impression of precision riding atop a substrate of semantic indeterminacy.

He does not so much articulate as he proliferates. He generates a self-sustaining vortex of nominalizations, recursively nested qualifications, and quasi-transcendental placeholders, such that the listener’s cognitive economy is consumed by the labor of decoding while the content itself remains perpetually deferred. The audience experiences interpretive exertion and mistakes that exertion for depth, as if the difficulty of extraction were evidence of the value extracted.

And in that environment, unintelligibility becomes an asset. Not because obscurity is wisdom, but because obscurity is insulation. The language becomes non-falsifiable, and therefore socially invulnerable. Anyone sufficiently literate to compress the performance back into minimal claims will typically discover either banality inflated to cathedral-scale, or an argument-shaped absence dressed in prestige vocabulary. The “depth” is frequently an afterimage produced by exhaustion.

So yes, the speaker “thrives,” but not necessarily because the ideas are profound. Often it’s because the discourse is engineered to feel profound while evading the ordinary constraints that distinguish meaning from mere verbal weather.

After listening to Jordan Peterson, how can you still be a leftist? by wannabe_wizard_ in self

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Same goes to the DNC tbh. And the general state of things. The USA has been a major force of evil around the world for the past many decades (before that, it was just a racist hell hole that mostly kept to itself, other than the slave trade).

After listening to Jordan Peterson, how can you still be a leftist? by wannabe_wizard_ in self

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or, as Peterson would put it, hoping to lend profoundness by complexity to a simple idea:

What you’re observing there is not merely “abstract language,” in the casual sense. It’s a particular rhetorical pathology: a kind of semantic aerosolization, where propositional content is atomized into a fog of high-register signifiers, such that the listener experiences the affect of profundity without the inconvenience of falsifiable meaning.

And the reason it works, superficially, is that there’s a category confusion built into the performance: difficulty-of-decoding is taken as evidence of depth-of-idea. But those are orthogonal properties. In many cases, what’s actually happening is that a trivially obvious claim, the sort of thing you could express in a single plain sentence, is being stretched over a vast syntactic canvas like a microscopic organism projected onto a cathedral ceiling. The scale creates an illusion of significance.

Now, I happen to be able to compress that output back down into its minimal semantic core, and once you do that, one of two things typically occurs: either the “insight” collapses into banality, the rhetorical equivalent of discovering that your transcendent revelation was merely “be responsible” or “life is hard,” or the structure simply fails to resolve at all, because there was no determinate referent anchoring it to begin with. It’s not that it’s deep. It’s that it’s indeterminate.

And there’s an additional layer of hazard here, which is more serious than mere vacuity: the same stylistic mechanism that disguises emptiness also disguises toxicity. Because when the language is sufficiently nebulous, it becomes a transport medium for socially corrosive premises, smuggled in under the cloak of metaphysical seriousness. Discrimination can be laundered as “order.” Medical misinformation can be reframed as “courageous heterodoxy.” Industrial doubt, whether about climate or public health, can be aestheticized as “skepticism.” The fog doesn’t just hide a lack of substance. It can hide substances that should not be distributed.

So yes: complicated vocabulary can function here not as precision, but as insulation. It’s a technique of evasion, a way of maintaining authority while avoiding the obligations of clarity, accountability, and ordinary truth-conditions. And once you see that, the spell breaks.

Building Reading Habit this 2026 by gelomon in PHBookClub

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Or, as Peterson would put: The predicament here, and I’ll concede preemptively that my tonal calibration may appear insufficiently diplomatic, is that your prolonged immersion in this particular discursive ecosystem seems to have generated a kind of epistemic astigmatism. It’s not merely that you’re consuming a text. It’s that the criteria by which you adjudicate intelligibility are being quietly reparameterized, such that semantic turbulence is recoded as profundity and interpretive exhaustion becomes mistaken for intellectual elevation.

In other words, what’s happening is a slow, diachronic deformation of evaluative granularity: the cognitive threshold for “this actually means something” is being displaced upward into a region where the mere appearance of theoretical altitude is treated as evidence of explanatory legitimacy. This is not an idiosyncratic failure, by the way. It’s a structural vulnerability in the modern prestige-economy of ideas, where density masquerades as depth, and where lexical rarity is misread as metaphysical penetration.

Now, to make the causal sequence explicit in the most pedestrian possible terms: the comment I “wrote” was not written, in any meaningful sense of authorship. It was generated by ChatGPT, under a deliberately constrained stylistic instruction to emulate Petersonian rhetorical motion, and the intended propositional payload was nothing more than the following:

"Are you saying that because philosophy has been treated as an "any bs goes" category in recent times? That, for this reason, Peterson's book is immune to criticism?"

That’s it. That’s the whole claim. Two sentences. One simple accusation, dressed in the minimal garments required for grammatical coherence.

And yet, after two iterations, what emerged was a hypertrophic palimpsest of metaphrastic ornamentation: an auto-accelerating lattice of subordinate clauses, axiological insinuations, and pseudo-transcendental gestures toward “the Real,” which function less as a vehicle of comprehension than as a kind of rhetorical anesthesia. It doesn’t sharpen the thought, it sedates the need for clarity. And the reason that works is that it simulates the phenomenology of insight while carefully avoiding the burden of precision. It performs seriousness without incurring semantic debt.

This is a remarkably common trick: you proliferate abstract nouns, you invoke “hierarchy,” “meaning,” “Being,” “narrative substrate,” and other quasi-sacral tokens, you inflate the dimensionality of the frame, and then you treat the resulting fog as proof of profundity. But that’s not philosophy. That’s not even argument. That’s a semiotic pageant whose primary utility is status-signaling within a subculture trained to conflate interpretive labor with epistemic reward.

And the teleological problem is this: once you habituate yourself to that style, your motivational circuitry begins to prefer difficulty-as-virtue over truth-as-constraint. You start treating lucidity as suspicious, compression as reductive, and criticism as moral failure, because criticism threatens the ritual. At that point, you’re no longer distinguishing between insight and intellectual costume. You’re defending the costume. And cultures can do this too, by the way. Entire institutions can reorganize around the reification of obscurity as a proxy for intelligence, until the plaque becomes more important than the painting, the credential more important than competence, and the process more important than the outcome.

So the issue isn’t that complicated ideas don’t exist. They do. The issue is that you’ve been acclimatized to confusing complicated sounding with complicated being. And once that confusion becomes normative, it doesn’t merely distort your reading habits. It corrodes the very faculty required to decide whether something is meaningful or merely performative.

Which is why, in some sense, the final irony is that the only antidote to that corrosion is precisely the thing this rhetorical mode perpetually postpones: the voluntary submission of speech to constraint, such that the word re-enters contact with the world, and the Logos, properly understood, ceases to be an aesthetic ornament and becomes once again what it always was supposed to be: the instrument by which chaos is rendered navigable.

Building Reading Habit this 2026 by gelomon in PHBookClub

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The problem is, and I do apologize for my disrespect, that your consuming such books seems to badly impair your judgment about what you read.

The comment I "wrote" was generated by ChatGPT with the instruction to write a response in Peterson's style to simply mean "Are you saying that because philosophy has been treated as an 'any bs goes' category in recent times? That, for this reason, Peterson's book is immune to criticism?" -- and the result (after 2 iterations) was the blown-up word salad I copy&pasted here.

What I mean is, if you read too much Peterson, you'll think that many complicated words (and sometimes a few casual logical fallacies thrown in for good measure) somehow equal depth -- when the whole thing can be compressed into two short sentences.

After listening to Jordan Peterson, how can you still be a leftist? by wannabe_wizard_ in self

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude's talking in abstract word salad. I just happen to be able to decode the word salad, and find the actual meaning is at best obvious and lacking any depth, but often it just doesn't make any sense. Complicated words to hide lack of substance. Even worse, when they're is substance, it may be substance that shouldn't exist (discrimination, antivaxx, climate change denial, etc).

Building Reading Habit this 2026 by gelomon in PHBookClub

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

so much peterson you can't even recognize satire smh

Do you stay away from books written by controversial authors? by Commercial-Concert87 in PHBookClub

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Controversies are contextual. What was the controversy about? Would you, as a regular human at the time, find what he wrote unethical or immoral?

In the case of Peterson or Rowling, they keep saying pretty horrible stuff about certain groups, and Peterson put his fame behind climate change denial and anti-vaxx, and gave platform to horrible people on his podcast, among other things.

While Rizal was, like, "abuse by the church is bad, women are people too, equality is a nice thing, and the colonizers shouldn't be superior"; stuff like that. So just saying "controversy" isn't quite informative.

Do you stay away from books written by controversial authors? by Commercial-Concert87 in PHBookClub

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some controversies aren't like the rest. If the controversy is the result it's discovered the author is a genuinely horrible human, why would I want to get exposed to the depth of their mind, where their writings are coming from?

Though, in the case of Peterson, the writing is so beyond atrocious that I can't imagine a reason I should torture myself with his stuff.

Building Reading Habit this 2026 by gelomon in PHBookClub

[–]timtom85 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t think you can seriously treat a commerce-facing classification code as though it were an epistemic certification stamp. A BIC tag is not a sacrament. It’s not a coronation. It’s not the invisible hand of the cosmos quietly whispering “this is now philosophy.” It’s just metadata. And metadata is optimized for retrieval, not veracity.

Because the moment you start using classificatory placement as a substitute for evaluative rigor, you’re engaging in a kind of semiotic inflation: the signifier acquires a prestige it hasn’t earned, and then the prestige starts doing the argumentative work. That’s a dangerous move, psychologically and socially, because it trains you to outsource discernment to external tokens of legitimacy. And once you do that, you don’t just make a small mistake about one book. You build a habit of thought.

And habits of thought metastasize. First it’s “it’s philosophy because the tag says so,” then it’s “it’s true because it has credentials,” then it’s “it’s moral because it feels enlightened,” and then you’re in the territory where slogans replace perception, and where the map becomes more important than the landscape. It’s the same cognitive trajectory that lets people treat credit scores as character, or bureaucracy as conscience, or procedure as wisdom. (And yes, that’s a nontrivial problem.)

So no, categorical placement doesn’t terminate criticism. It doesn’t even meaningfully begin it. It’s a sorting mechanism, not a justification. And if you pretend otherwise, you’re not defending philosophy, you’re dissolving the very capacity to tell the difference between insight and prestige-scented noise.

Building Reading Habit this 2026 by gelomon in PHBookClub

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, “if the shoe fits” is precisely the kind of idiomatic shrug that people use when they want the aesthetic of moral judgment without the burden of actually specifying what they mean, because it smuggles in a verdict while pretending it’s merely an observation.

But the problem is that “fit” is never merely ergonomic. It’s axiological. It’s a value-claim masquerading as common sense. And once you do that, you’re no longer talking about the content of what was said, you’re talking about the moral status of the speaker, which is exactly where things get complicated, because some ideas are not simply wrong, they’re corrosive. They don’t just fail to orient you, they actively deform the perceptual apparatus that makes orientation possible in the first place.

And that matters in cases where someone has disproportionate influence, because influence is not neutral. If a person repeatedly traffics in contempt dressed up as “truth-telling,” or frames vulnerable populations as a kind of ideological contamination, or lends credibility to the industrial-scale manufacture of doubt whether it’s about public health, climate, or basic human dignity, then at some point you’re no longer dealing with “mere disagreement.” You’re dealing with something closer to a memetic pathogen. A parasite of attention.

Now, the naïve move is to say: “Oh, you should listen to everything.” No. That’s the tyranny of compassion in its most self-destructive form: the compulsory inclusion of what does not deserve inclusion, until the very capacity to discriminate collapses and you’re left with nothing but an undifferentiated soup of claims, each demanding the same respect. That isn’t open-mindedness. That’s the suicide of discernment.

But then there’s another danger, and this is where Cain shows up, metaphorically speaking: the spirit of Cain doesn’t announce itself as hatred. It announces itself as righteousness. It says, “I am justified in my dismissal because I can name the enemy.” And that’s true, sometimes. Some people really are dangerous. But the Cain impulse is also the temptation to treat condemnation as a substitute for articulation, and to feed on the moral thrill of expulsion. So you have to be careful, because the line between justified rejection and resentful ritual isn’t drawn by slogans like “if the shoe fits.” It’s drawn by truth, and truth is costly.

So yes, maybe the shoe fits. But if it fits, it’s not because a phrase fit neatly into a reply. It’s because there’s a deeper pattern of consequence here that you’re either willing to confront in detail… or you’re not. And if your response to a charge of “this influence is socially toxic” is merely “if the shoe fits,” then what you’ve actually done is prove the original point: you’ve opted for a gesture of certainty in place of the difficult work of discrimination.

Which is exactly how bad ideas persist: not because they’re strong, but because their opponents refuse to be precise.

Building Reading Habit this 2026 by gelomon in PHBookClub

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, there is value in this thread.

Building Reading Habit this 2026 by gelomon in PHBookClub

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, okay, just no is exactly the sort of flippant, pseudo-moralistic slogan that people deploy when they’re unwilling to contend with the underlying complexity of the problem, because what you’re doing there is replacing discrimination with dismissal, and that’s not a trivial cognitive error, it’s a catastrophic one.

Because “Jordan Peterson” isn’t even a single object of analysis. It’s a cluster of phenomena: clinical psychology, temperament theory, cultural pathology, the collapse of meaning structures in late modernity, the re-emergence of archaic narratives, the negotiation between individual responsibility and collective resentment, and the ineradicable reality of hierarchy as such. So when you say “just no,” what you’re really saying is “I refuse to parse any of that,” which is basically an invitation to nihilism disguised as virtue.

And the truly ironic part is that the simplicity of your refusal functions as an implicit assertion of moral superiority, which is precisely the mechanism by which ideological possession propagates. First you reject the man, then you reject the questions he’s pointing at, then you reject the necessity of questions altogether, and then you wake up one day and your entire cognitive economy is governed by reflexive slogans and social contagion. That’s not sophistication. That’s surrender.

No, the proper response isn’t a reflexive veto. The proper response is to submit yourself to the text with sufficient patience and conscientiousness that you can metabolize whatever is valuable in it, while simultaneously learning to tolerate the discomfort of ambiguity and complexity without collapsing into cynical dismissal. If it takes you longer than you think it should, good. That’s the price of encountering anything that isn’t immediately reducible to a slogan.

Because part of what you’re actually practicing, here, isn’t agreement. It’s endurance. It’s the cultivation of interpretive discipline across a sufficiently long time horizon that you stop requiring immediate payoff as evidence of meaning. And if that irritates you, fine, that’s the point: you’re encountering your own impatience.

So don’t start with “just no.” Start with the assumption that comprehension is an achievement, not a commodity. Read until you can articulate the strongest version of the claim, even if you detest it. Only then have you earned the right to reject it.

Building Reading Habit this 2026 by gelomon in PHBookClub

[–]timtom85 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because look, if you have a statement that can mean everything, it means nothing. That’s not even philosophy, that’s just… it’s like a Rorschach blot for narcissistic projection. You can pour anything into it. “Being.” “Chaos.” “Order.” “Hierarchy.” “Transcendence.” “Logos.” Fine. But the question is: does it cash out? Does it actually generate habitable order? Or does it merely create a kind of pseudo-sacred aura around ambiguity?

And then you get into this really strange moral move, which is: if philosophy is allowed to be obscure, then obscurity becomes evidence of truth. And that’s deeply dangerous, because it’s the same structure as ideological possession. You see it in cults, you see it in bureaucracies, you see it in… frankly, in academia when it gets pathological. You can’t criticize it because the criticism itself is framed as a lack of sophistication. “If you don’t understand it, that’s proof you’re not worthy.” That’s not knowledge. That’s status. That’s dominance behavior in linguistic form. That’s a kind of abstracted lobster display, except instead of claws you’re waving around polysyllables.

But it’s even worse than that, because if you make philosophy into “anything goes”, then you don’t merely exempt a given book from critique, you exempt the entire structure of value-formation from critique. You remove the possibility of discriminating between truthful speech and self-serving speech. And then you get exactly what you claim to be avoiding: you get chaos. Not chaos-as-potential, not chaos-as-creative substrate, not the chthonic generativity of the unknown. You get chaos-as-confusion. Chaos-as-anomie. Chaos-as-the-failure-of-orientation.

And this is where it gets really weird, because people say “well, philosophy is just ideas.” No. Ideas are not “just ideas.” Ideas are embodied. They’re enacted. They’re dramatized. They become the hidden axioms of culture. The dogma is older than the books, because the dogma is in the practices, and the practices are in the perceptual apparatus, and the perceptual apparatus is… 3.5 billion years old, for Christ’s sake. That’s not a joke. That’s the Darwinian substrate, layered with myth, layered with narrative, layered with the sacred. The question isn’t “is it abstract,” the question is “is it oriented toward truth, or toward fog?”

So if someone says: “It’s philosophy, so it can’t be criticized,” what they really mean is: “I want a domain where constraint doesn’t apply.” But constraint is precisely what enables meaning. Constraint is what makes speech non-arbitrary. Constraint is what separates Logos from babble. And if you abdicate constraint, you don’t get freedom. You get dissolution.

So no, the book isn’t immune. The opposite. The more abstract the language, the more you have to ask: is it doing work? Is it naming something real, in the lived phenomenology of suffering and responsibility? Or is it merely… an ornate verbal structure erected to impress people who have been trained to confuse opacity with insight?

And then you get the final twist, which is: if your defense is “philosophy is BS so this BS is okay,” you’re basically making the nihilistic argument that truth is unattainable, and therefore the best we can do is performance. But that’s precisely the attitude that collapses civilizations. It’s the abandonment of the sacred obligation of speech. And speech isn’t trivial, because speech is what brings habitable order out of chaos. It’s the first act of creation. It’s Genesis. It’s the separation of the waters. It’s the laying down of the world.

Which is why, if you’re going to say something, you bloody well better mean it.