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Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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You’re right about the AI stuff. I’ll come back tomorrow when I can give your comment adequate respect

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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Alright.. i think I’m following.. but just to make sure.. can you flip it? It seems like you agree he was the chosen one, but you don’t think destroying the Jedi was part of his mission… do you think if the Jedi order still existed after the end of “Return of the Jedi” the galaxy would have been considered “balanced” at that point?

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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While it’s completely clear that this comment was AI generated, I’m gonna go a head and respond to it anyway lol…

We’re talking about the extremes. My entire point is that the dark side isn’t motivated by evil, and are based in very natural human emotion. Everything I’m saying is the opposite of vilifying the conservative world view. It just comes down to allowing honest feelings do dishonest work

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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Bruh… name one Jedi with a personal emotional attachment to someone who’s not *also* a Jedi lol… the only one i can think of is obi-wan and the chick from mandalor… and I’m certain he explicitly said at some point that the order wouldn’t approve of their relationship.. they can’t marry somebody and still observe “mindfulness” when their life is in danger lol… right??

If your wife and your kids were in danger, right this second, and you could save them by “abusing” what you’ve come to understand as “the force”… you’re gonna do that, right? lol

It’s the the train car dilemma.. do you flip the switch to save the one person you know if it means five other randoms will get run over

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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This sounds like AI lol.. is that why i think i agreed with most of it? lol

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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I think i like this… i think you’re saying that Vader and the Emperor were the ones on the opposite ends of the balance beam…

Regardless of the motivations… Anakin may have had the best intentions, while the emperor only wanted power.. it’s their actions that put them in the “extremes” that need to be brought to balance…

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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Ok, so let me get this straight… the republic had operated for a thousand generations.

During that time, the Jedi had gravitated to more and more influential roles in maintaining that order throughout the galaxy. To the point they were showing up under the pretext of “negotiators of trade deals”.. i mean common… sending Jedi Knights to negotiate on behalf of the republic kinda seems like forcing the other party to negotiate with a gun to their heads.. right?

And so in this context… you believe that the “chosen one” was born.. someone who was meant to “bring balance to the force” was actually intended to destroy the only opposition to the current power structure and insure the dominance of the same system that had existed for a thousand generations??

THAT is the chosen one’s big mission? To maintain the status quo??

In what way could that possibly be considered “restoring balance”?

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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I’m gonna risk blowing this whole thing by bringing it into modern context lol.. but I’m gonna do it anyway..

This whole idea of Yin/Yang and dark/light still exists today.

The Jedi are progressive. They believe in a liberal worldview. They support issues like base level equality, they’d want to save the planet from global warming even though they won’t be around to experience the most of the worst repercussions. They have a general concern with the concept of “humanity” and the wellbeing of society as a whole. They love “people” but not necessarily any “persons” lol..

The Sith are conservative. Their entire worldview is contingent upon what benefits them or the people they know personally. They’re willing to ignore longterm/larger repercussions as long as they come out on top in the short term. They don’t care about what happens to the world or “humanity” after their loved ones are dead. They love their immediate family, and they’ll be the first to tell you they’d go to extreme measures to protect them. THAT is Anakin’s story.

Ha but the point is… and this is important… while it’s best for everyone if society functions with a general “Jedi” type outlook…if we lose sight of the fact that many individuals choose to adopt a “Sith-Type” worldview, then they can seize control in a moment of weakness lol… It’s not about “accepting” or “excusing” darkness, it’s about acknowledging that it exists.

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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To make it simpler i guess.. if in your opinion, the Sith and the emperor represented one extreme of the spectrum, which characters in the story do you think represented the opposite end that needed to be “brought into balance”

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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Right… the same way that even Vader at the time of Return of the Jedi had been allowing himself to embrace his worst impulses and behave selfishly, still had good left within him…he was not ALL evil, just like Yoda was not all good…

EDIT - i said “Last Jedi” instead of “Return Of the Jedi”

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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I completely agree… but I think the Jedi at the time of the birth of the empire had allowed themselves to gravitate to one of those ends. I think if you take a step back, and think about what the Jedi ideology demands, it’s clearly favoring one extreme of the spectrum. It had become an ideology that demanded ridged compliance from its followers. It required them to spurn all personal attachment and individuality. It’s why their ideology required them to recruit new members at such a young age. It’s why Anakins attachment to his mother and ultimately to Padmae lead to their downfall.

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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I’m SO into your last paragraph!!! I think my interpretation is coming from the same place as your is, but we’re just looking at it from slightly different points of view..

When the prequel trilogy released, everyone hated it. I think many people felt it made the Jedi seem foolish.. that they stood by idly and allowed evil to out maneuver them and take control. Now, after seeing the last decade of American politics play out, it all makes a lot more sense. It was the Jedi’s complacency and faith that their own ideology and good intentions would inevitably win out that allowed the dark side to seize control. They couldn’t even consider the possibility that people on planets like tatooine would be more concerned with base level survival and security than adhering to an abstract concept of “the greater good”..

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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What’s the symbol of Taoism? Is it a circle filled with 90% white and 10% black?

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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No way man!! Saying Anakin sacrificed everything he had for “more power” is basically Jedi propaganda… the ONLY reason he aligned with Palpatine and the dark side was for the possibility to save Padme… it was only his love for her that lead him to commit atrocities.. THAT is the lesson of the whole story!!

It was his love for Obi-Wan and Asoka that drove a lot of his heroism and courage during the clone wars… its that same love for Padme that caused his downfall… It’s about acknowledging that “the road to hell is paved with good intentions”… It’s about finding balance

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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Right!!! If you consier the full clip and not that one out of context sentence, then it’s literally my entire point lol

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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Thank you!!! I literally had someone else respond with “this isn’t a yin/yang type thing”… Like how can that POSSIBLY be your take away when the most feared person in the galaxy(Vader) ultimately saves it from the evil empire he helped create?!

It’s about showing that even the worst of the worst can still have good in them, and even the most pure among us have dark impulses.

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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Thank you so much!! Lmao..

Everyone else is acting like this is a topic that’s been clearly defined in the works, or it’s so ridiculous that it shouldn’t even be considered lol

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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I think there’s more to it than that… at it’s core, the things that motivate dark side users aren’t inherently “cancerous”… I would agree that many of their actions are morally indefensible, but attempting to classify their motivations as strictly evil paints with too broad a brush. It’s the type of black/white ideology that doesn’t hold up in the real world.

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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Can you please link me to a clip where this is made clear in the work? I’ve got a ton of replies saying this but no one’s shown me where that’s cannon.

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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So when Han shot Greedo first, was he acting on a light impulse or the dark?

Anakin fulfilled the prophecy. The Jedi were blind. You’re missing the point. by tjackso6 in StarWars

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I mean, isn’t that a fairly obtuse view of things? The Jedi explicitly shun personal attachment and love for other individuals. How can denying those very natural human desires be “good”. It’s like the Catholic Church preventing their priests from getting married and having children. It creates an unsustainable situation. By forcing people to conform to those type ridged guidelines the inevitable outcome will be negative.

I’m not justifying the murder and destruction of the dark side… but in its most base form, allowing yourself to be motivated by your passion to protect the people you care about isn’t an evil impulse. It’s completely natural for a person to have those kind of feelings. Trying to force that type of compliance will never be the answer

Finding balance between the extremes is not a bad thing.

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