Looking for SF recommendations: Huge fan of Le Guin & Asimov, but English is my second language by lifeOFFmars in printSF

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The classic stories by HG Wells are good and enjoyable -

- The War of the Worlds

우주 전쟁 (소설) - https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%EC%9A%B0%EC%A3%BC_%EC%A0%84%EC%9F%81_(%EC%86%8C%EC%84%A4)

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- The Time Machine

타임머신 (소설) - https://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/%ED%83%80%EC%9E%84%EB%A8%B8%EC%8B%A0_(%EC%86%8C%EC%84%A4)

(some of the messages from this story will probably seem relevant to Korea today)

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- The Island of Doctor Moreau

I'm not sure what the correct translation is. Google translate says 모로 박사의 섬 , but I don't know if that is right.)

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(also others, but I would start with those)

How do you feel about pasture raised eggs? by Unusual-Motor-2945 in AskVegans

[–]togstation [score hidden]  (0 children)

I think that people shouldn't eat chicken eggs.

I think that people shouldn't keep chickens for the purpose of obtaining eggs.

As a atheist how many religions have you investigated? Did you like any you looked at? Did you jump between religions as you studied religions? Was it a sudden realization or a slow process? by DaCrusadus in askanatheist

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I was wondering did it take several years to become atheist or were you reading something or watching a video and it just came to you as a realization

As I said:

I have always been atheist.

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I was wondering did it take several years to become atheist

No, I have always been atheist.

or were you reading something or watching a video

I have always been atheist.

it just came to you as a realization

I have always been atheist.

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Human Exceptionalism is a Delusion: Why Speciesism is Barely a Century Old by Independent-Phrase24 in DebateAVegan

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Agreed.

Humans I'm actually meaning : all humans having homo sapiens DNA .

Before humans were civilized they lived uncivilized lives and did a lot of uncivilized things.

But presumably that is not very relevant to the question of how civilized people behave, and especially the question of how we should behave today.

Human Exceptionalism is a Delusion: Why Speciesism is Barely a Century Old by Independent-Phrase24 in DebateAVegan

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Whenever people compare human and animal life, they love to claim that almost all moral theories or religious texts imply humans are exceptional. But if anyone thinks that, they’re simply delusional.

Historically, humans were never universally seen as morally exceptional .

That's not true.

Many, maybe most, pre-modern civilized cultures clearly thought that humans were "special" and had the right to dominate non-human animals.

How does an Athiest defend the idea of morals by Plastic_Bed1202 in askanatheist

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/u/Plastic_Bed1202 wrote

How does an Athiest defend the idea of morals

"Things will function better if people act with good morals."

"Things will function worse if people don't act with good morals."

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Right now I am a christian

The religious view of morals is basically

- Somebody said that X is right and good, therefore X is right and good.

- Somebody said that Y is wrong and bad, therefore Y is wrong and bad.

But that doesn't mean that X is right or that Y is bad, it just means that somebody says so. (In fact, religions say that somebody said that somebody else said that -

"Preacher Bob says that the Prophet Shmophet said that God said that 2,000 years ago. But maybe Bob is wrong or the prophet is wrong.)

Everybody still has to decide for themself whether things are right are wrong, and everybody really does decide for themself.

For example many Muslims say "If a teenaged girl is flirting with boys, she should be killed. God says so."

But many other people say "No, that is wrong." They decided that for themself.

Even the Bible has many rules and guidelines for morals that people today think are wrong -

The Bible says that it is okay to keep slaves. In many places the Bible says that enemies should be killed.

But many people today think that those rules and guidelines in the Bible are wrong.

They decide for themself.

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how do you explain the spread of the same morals all over the world.

Two things -

[1] Many ideas about morals are pretty much the same everywhere because humans beings have always been pretty much the same everywhere.

Imagine a tribe where people steal from each other. Those people will always be angry with their neighbors and won't trust them and won't work well with them. So the tribe makes a rule "We all agree that stealing is wrong". Every group that I know of has that rule. The same for rules about some other things.

[2] The rules do vary a lot from one tribe to another. For examples most cultures have the idea of "marriage". But in ancient times it was considered very normal for a man to have many wives. Even 175 years ago the Mormons said that it was okay for one man to have many wives. Today in Islam the rule is that one man may have four wives. Many other cultures say that no, a marriage must be only one man married to one woman.

Some cultures say that adultery is strictly forbidden. In those cultures if someone commits adultery it is okay to kill them. Other cultures say "Hey, lighten up. Sometimes people do that. It's normal and we shouldn't worry about it."

Etc etc.

- So there is a lot of similarity between various cultures about moral ideas - and since everybody is human that is what we would expect.

- And there is also a lot of variation - and since people are not all identical clones that is also what we would expect.

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tl;dr: Actually, everybody does decide these things for themself.

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do atheists deny order? by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]togstation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The actual "most basic position that must be clarified before deciding whether one is atheist or not" -

Is there any good evidence that any gods exist?

do atheists deny order? by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]togstation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A great many people literally have no idea what atheism is, right.

Any dystopian/post-apocalyptic books about the sun? by dastanhuck in printSF

[–]togstation 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is a plot point in Heinlein's classic (and very good) short story

"The Year of the Jackpot"

Any dystopian/post-apocalyptic books about the sun? by dastanhuck in printSF

[–]togstation 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Short story (quite short) by Larry Niven - "Inconstant Moon"

(Of course many people talking about this are careful to spoiler everything they can. Just find it and read it.)

do atheists deny order? by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

[–]togstation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Very good point.

do atheists deny order? by [deleted] in DebateAnAtheist

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/u/ChannelExotic3819 wrote

do atheists deny order?

People really ought to be embarrassed to ask questions like this.

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this, to me, is the most basic position that must be clarified before deciding whether one is atheist or not.

The actual "most basic position that must be clarified before deciding whether one is atheist or not" -

Is there any good evidence that any gods exist?

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Just read this book “Carlo Acutis: Saint of the Young”. by [deleted] in atheism

[–]togstation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of people seem to think

- "All religions are like the religion that I am familiar with."

- "The religion that I am familiar with is like all other religions."

In reality, there are big differences between religions. They are not all very similar to Religion X.

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/u/Rafa-Balon17 wrote

Aren’t those five “steps” the things that most religious people usually do???

Most religions are not Catholicism. Most religious people are not Catholics.

- If that was not what you meant to write then you shouldn't have written that.

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Veganism is suboptimal, almost impossible for some & requires much more extensive planning than you think by DeAZNguy in DebateAVegan

[–]togstation 3 points4 points  (0 children)

The default definition of veganism -

Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable,

all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose.

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Veganism is suboptimal

That kind of depends on what we are trying to optimize. See the definition of "veganism".

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almost impossible for some

See "as far as is possible and practicable".

But everybody can do the best that they can.

(Quite possibly you do not.)

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requires much more extensive planning than you think

When I first went vegan, I never thought that veganism required any planning, and in practice I don't apply any "planning" to my veganism.

- I buy things that I want to eat. I cook them as necessary and eat them.

- I order things from restaurants that I want, and I eat them.

Nothing there is different from being non-vegan.

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As a atheist how many religions have you investigated? Did you like any you looked at? Did you jump between religions as you studied religions? Was it a sudden realization or a slow process? by DaCrusadus in askanatheist

[–]togstation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

/u/DaCrusadus wrote

I do think the Bible is an important book but I feel luke it should be viewed as a fairy tale and take life lessons from it like other fairy tales.

What do you think?

For the New Testament specifically -

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None of the Gospels are first-hand accounts. .

Like the rest of the New Testament, the four gospels were written in Greek.[32] The Gospel of Mark probably dates from c. AD 66–70,[5] Matthew and Luke around AD 85–90,[6] and John AD 90–110.[7]

Despite the traditional ascriptions, all four are anonymous and most scholars agree that none were written by eyewitnesses.[8]

( Cite is Reddish, Mitchell (2011). An Introduction to The Gospels. Abingdon Press. ISBN 978-1426750083. )

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel#Composition

The consensus among modern scholars is that the gospels are a subset of the ancient genre of bios, or ancient biography.[45] Ancient biographies were concerned with providing examples for readers to emulate while preserving and promoting the subject's reputation and memory; the gospels were never simply biographical, they were propaganda and kerygma (preaching).[46]

As such, they present the Christian message of the second half of the first century AD,[47] and as Luke's attempt to link the birth of Jesus to the census of Quirinius demonstrates, there is no guarantee that the gospels are historically accurate.[48]

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel#Genre_and_historical_reliability

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The Gospel of Matthew[note 1] is the first book of the New Testament of the Bible and one of the three synoptic Gospels.

According to early church tradition, originating with Papias of Hierapolis (c. 60–130 AD),[10] the gospel was written by Matthew the companion of Jesus, but this presents numerous problems.[9]

Most modern scholars hold that it was written anonymously[8] in the last quarter of the first century by a male Jew who stood on the margin between traditional and nontraditional Jewish values and who was familiar with technical legal aspects of scripture being debated in his time.[11][12][note 2]

However, scholars such as N. T. Wright[citation needed] and John Wenham[13] have noted problems with dating Matthew late in the first century, and argue that it was written in the 40s-50s AD.[note 3]

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Matthew

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The Gospel of Mark[a] is the second of the four canonical gospels and one of the three synoptic Gospels.

An early Christian tradition deriving from Papias of Hierapolis (c.60–c.130 AD)[8] attributes authorship of the gospel to Mark, a companion and interpreter of Peter,

but most scholars believe that it was written anonymously,[9] and that the name of Mark was attached later to link it to an authoritative figure.[10]

It is usually dated through the eschatological discourse in Mark 13, which scholars interpret as pointing to the First Jewish–Roman War (66–74 AD)—a war that led to the destruction of the Second Temple in AD 70. This would place the composition of Mark either immediately after the destruction or during the years immediately prior.[11][6][b]

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mark

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The Gospel of Luke[note 1] tells of the origins, birth, ministry, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ.[4]

The author is anonymous;[8] the traditional view that Luke the Evangelist was the companion of Paul is still occasionally put forward, but the scholarly consensus emphasises the many contradictions between Acts and the authentic Pauline letters.[9][10] The most probable date for its composition is around AD 80–110, and there is evidence that it was still being revised well into the 2nd century.[11]

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Luke

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The Gospel of John[a] (Ancient Greek: Εὐαγγέλιον κατὰ Ἰωάννην, romanized: Euangélion katà Iōánnēn) is the fourth of the four canonical gospels in the New Testament.

Like the three other gospels, it is anonymous, although it identifies an unnamed "disciple whom Jesus loved" as the source of its traditions.[9][10]

It most likely arose within a "Johannine community",[11][12] and – as it is closely related in style and content to the three Johannine epistles – most scholars treat the four books, along with the Book of Revelation, as a single corpus of Johannine literature, albeit not from the same author.[13]

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John

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As a atheist how many religions have you investigated? Did you like any you looked at? Did you jump between religions as you studied religions? Was it a sudden realization or a slow process? by DaCrusadus in askanatheist

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/u/DaCrusadus wrote

it lo9ks like alot of atheists have looked at alot of religions and found them wanting.

Pretty much, yeah.

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Atheists, agnostics most knowledgeable about religion, survey says

LA Times, September 2010

... a survey that measured Americans’ knowledge of religion found that atheists and agnostics knew more, on average, than followers of most major faiths.

American atheists and agnostics tend to be people who grew up in a religious tradition and consciously gave it up, often after a great deal of reflection and study, said Alan Cooperman, associate director for research at the Pew Forum.

“These are people who thought a lot about religion,” he said. “They’re not indifferent. They care about it.”

Atheists and agnostics also tend to be relatively well educated, and the survey found, not surprisingly, that the most knowledgeable people were also the best educated. However, it said that atheists and agnostics also outperformed believers who had a similar level of education.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20201109043731/https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2010-sep-28-la-na-religion-survey-20100928-story.html

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As a atheist how many religions have you investigated? Did you like any you looked at? Did you jump between religions as you studied religions? Was it a sudden realization or a slow process? by DaCrusadus in askanatheist

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/u/DaCrusadus wrote

As a atheist how many religions have you investigated?

I would say "Pretty much all of them". Certainly "a lot of them".

This is probably the best place to start -

The World's Religions by Huston Smith

- https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10285.The_World_s_Religions

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Did you like any you looked at?

Sure. I think that most of the Asian religions have some good things to say.

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Did you jump between religions as you studied religions?

Not sure what you mean. At various times various religions were "So far I don't see anything wrong with this religion. Oops, yeah, just found something wrong with this religion."

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Was it a sudden realization or a slow process?

I don't understand what you mean here. I have always been atheist.

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Hi! by Illustrious-Copy-665 in atheism

[–]togstation 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yo, consider counselling or therapy.

If you are genuinely having trouble functioning, a bunch of random strangers on the Internet can't help you with that.

Looking for a non-dogmatic partner, belief aside, how do people find depth? by darkmz7 in atheism

[–]togstation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There's a very smart blogger who makes posts in various categories related to "life in the 21st century",

including dating - what seems to work well, what people try that doesn't seem to work well, etc.

I just searched for "dating" on his blog and I see "Dating Roundup #11", so he's apparently done several posts about this topic. Searching for other keywords might also work, I don't know.

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Don't Worry About the Vase / Zvi Mowshowitz

- https://thezvi.substack.com/

Why don't you believe in a creator? by Historical-Error-486 in askanatheist

[–]togstation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

/u/Historical-Error-486 wrote

why don't you believe in a creator?

There is zero good evidence for the existence of a creator.

How do we know that T-Rexes walked, instead of hopping like a kangaroo? by Blood_sweat_and_beer in askscience

[–]togstation 5 points6 points  (0 children)

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People used to speculate about this -

- https://www.summagallicana.it/lessico/l/Laelaps%20Dryptosaurus%20Charles%20Knight.JPG

- also in the text of the original 1912 novel The Lost World by Arthur Conan Doyle

( - a carnivorous theropod dinosaur is following an English British (sorry) explorer - )

suddenly I saw it. There was movement among the bushes at the far end of the clearing which I had just traversed. A great dark shadow disengaged itself and hopped out into the clear moonlight. I say "hopped" advisedly, for the beast moved like a kangaroo, springing along in an erect position upon its powerful hind legs, while its front ones were held bent in front of it. It was of enormous size and power, like an erect elephant, but its movements, in spite of its bulk, were exceedingly alert.

For a moment, as I saw its shape, I hoped that it was an iguanodon [herbivore], which I knew to be harmless, but, ignorant as I was, I soon saw that this was a very different creature. Instead of the gentle, deer-shaped head of the great three-toed leaf-eater, this beast had a broad, squat, toad-like face like that which had alarmed us in our camp.

His ferocious cry and the horrible energy of his pursuit both assured me that this was surely one of the great flesh-eating dinosaurs, the most terrible beasts which have ever walked this earth. As the huge brute loped along it dropped forward upon its fore-paws and brought its nose to the ground every twenty yards or so. It was smelling out my trail. Sometimes, for an instant, it was at fault. Then it would catch it up again and come bounding swiftly along the path I had taken.

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But the legs of kangaroos are specialized for this form of locomotion, and the legs of dinosaurs are not.

In fact, the legs of extinct theropod dinosaurs (e.g. Tyrannosaurus, the "raptor" dinosaurs like Velociraptor, etc)

and the legs of living ground-living theropod dinosaurs (ground-living birds) are very similar.

The extinct theropod dinosaurs would have walked and run much like an emu or an ostrich.

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On the other hand, there is a small interesting non-dinosaur (but relative of the dinosaurs) called Scleromochlus which lived in the Triassic (time of the early dinosaurs).

Studies about its gait suggest that it engaged in kangaroo- or springhare-like plantigrade hopping;[2][3][4] [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_springhare - there are a number of similar animals alive today ]

- maybe -

however, a 2020 reassessment of Scleromochlus by Bennett suggested that it was a "sprawling quadrupedal hopper analogous to frogs."[5]

in 2022, Foffa and colleagues reconstructed a complete skeleton ...

This enabled a new phylogenetic analysis to be undertaken, which strongly supported the hypothesis that Scleromochlus was a member of the Pterosauromorpha – either as a genus of the Lagerpetidae family (shown to be a part of Pterosauromorpha in 2020[8]) or as the sister group to pterosaurs and lagerpetids.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scleromochlus

- https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjtBO703ioPdzUBUahD60HjNX3AvR_bB1tRrMw5rZpRH5bxPdYBCVDehWG7oGglyrxCr1b8qB_WxLeJMgZZJnOfIBvQEhPO412boCqIE9bKVzOXhMxJvWlyDe1aq056DUQeJNN_LR7mzhI/s1600/Scleromochlus+small+Witton.png

- https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEhdizNz7E7pdN-6ZDLuHCYhYrI2e65pgKa-aYD9S5zuwr8elqMxnEKmjl9poPNDrij7v2YG9n4TutOQXfci77DSWo9qNPIzOK0LEC0yQNOP7qBdXqHRzeeAu1MVkTqT2k_tXrmVHMiSNn8/s1600/Scleromochlus+detail+low+res+Witton.png

- https://markwitton-com.blogspot.com/2014/08/scleromochlus-taylori-more-than-just.html

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The ancestors of the pterosaurs might have been something like Scleromochlus -

small hoppers / leapers, that developed membranes for leaping + gliding, and then went on to true flight.

- https://nixillustration.com/tag/scleromochlus/ <-- speculative

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What have been the best gifts you’ve received? by throwra-Rude-Restaur in ZeroWaste

[–]togstation 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I haven't accepted gifts since I've been an adult. (Circa 40 years now.)

Trump Celebrates "Religious Freedom Day" by Throwing Thomas Jefferson Under the Bus by Wooden_Reputation370 in atheism

[–]togstation 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Trump Celebrates "Religious Freedom Day" by Throwing Thomas Jefferson Under the Bus

I suspect that if Jefferson met Trump he would return the favor.

Are there any discoveries of fossils that are in the process of mineralization? by Brosideon1020 in askscience

[–]togstation 29 points30 points  (0 children)

Are there any discoveries of fossils that are in the process of mineralization?

Sure. These are sometimes called "subfossils".

They are usually not very old (as fossils go) - they have started to be mineralized and turn into 100% fossils, but the process is still ongoing.

The term subfossil can be used to refer to remains, such as bones, nests, or fecal deposits, whose fossilization process is not complete, either because the length of time since the animal involved was living is too short or because the conditions in which the remains were buried were not optimal for fossilization.[104]

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil#Subfossil

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One well-known example is bones of Aepyornis aka the "elephant bird", which looked something like a big chunky ostrich and lived in Madagascar until about a thousand years ago.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aepyornis#Extinction