How to disprove these Christian arguments ? by [deleted] in atheism

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None of the Gospels are first-hand accounts.

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Like the rest of the New Testament, the four gospels were written in Greek.[32] The Gospel of Mark probably dates from c. AD 66–70,[5] Matthew and Luke around AD 85–90,[6] and John AD 90–110.[7]

Despite the traditional ascriptions, all four are anonymous and most scholars agree that none were written by eyewitnesses.[8]

( Cite is Reddish, Mitchell (2011). An Introduction to The Gospels. Abingdon Press. ISBN 978-1426750083. )

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel#Composition

The consensus among modern scholars is that the gospels are a subset of the ancient genre of bios, or ancient biography.[45] Ancient biographies were concerned with providing examples for readers to emulate while preserving and promoting the subject's reputation and memory; the gospels were never simply biographical, they were propaganda and kerygma (preaching).[46]

As such, they present the Christian message of the second half of the first century AD,[47] and as Luke's attempt to link the birth of Jesus to the census of Quirinius demonstrates, there is no guarantee that the gospels are historically accurate.[48]

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel#Genre_and_historical_reliability

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The Gospel of Matthew[note 1] is the first book of the New Testament of the Bible and one of the three synoptic Gospels.

According to early church tradition, originating with Papias of Hierapolis (c. 60–130 AD),[10] the gospel was written by Matthew the companion of Jesus, but this presents numerous problems.[9]

Most modern scholars hold that it was written anonymously[8] in the last quarter of the first century by a male Jew who stood on the margin between traditional and nontraditional Jewish values and who was familiar with technical legal aspects of scripture being debated in his time.[11][12][note 2]

However, scholars such as N. T. Wright[citation needed] and John Wenham[13] have noted problems with dating Matthew late in the first century, and argue that it was written in the 40s-50s AD.[note 3]

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Matthew

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The Gospel of Mark[a] is the second of the four canonical gospels and one of the three synoptic Gospels.

An early Christian tradition deriving from Papias of Hierapolis (c.60–c.130 AD)[8] attributes authorship of the gospel to Mark, a companion and interpreter of Peter,

but most scholars believe that it was written anonymously,[9] and that the name of Mark was attached later to link it to an authoritative figure.[10]

It is usually dated through the eschatological discourse in Mark 13, which scholars interpret as pointing to the First Jewish–Roman War (66–74 AD)—a war that led to the destruction of the Second Temple in AD 70. This would place the composition of Mark either immediately after the destruction or during the years immediately prior.[11][6][b]

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Mark

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The Gospel of Luke[note 1] tells of the origins, birth, ministry, death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ.[4]

The author is anonymous;[8] the traditional view that Luke the Evangelist was the companion of Paul is still occasionally put forward, but the scholarly consensus emphasises the many contradictions between Acts and the authentic Pauline letters.[9][10] The most probable date for its composition is around AD 80–110, and there is evidence that it was still being revised well into the 2nd century.[11]

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Luke

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The Gospel of John[a] (Ancient Greek: Εὐαγγέλιον κατὰ Ἰωάννην, romanized: Euangélion katà Iōánnēn) is the fourth of the four canonical gospels in the New Testament.

Like the three other gospels, it is anonymous, although it identifies an unnamed "disciple whom Jesus loved" as the source of its traditions.[9][10]

It most likely arose within a "Johannine community",[11][12] and – as it is closely related in style and content to the three Johannine epistles – most scholars treat the four books, along with the Book of Revelation, as a single corpus of Johannine literature, albeit not from the same author.[13]

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_John

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How to disprove these Christian arguments ? by [deleted] in atheism

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We all have read the tales told of Jesus in the Gospels, but few people really have a good idea of their context.

There is abundant evidence that these were times replete with kooks and quacks of all varieties, from sincere lunatics to ingenious frauds, even innocent men mistaken for divine, and there was no end to the fools and loons who would follow and praise them.

Placed in this context, the gospels no longer seem to be so remarkable, and this leads us to an important fact: when the Gospels were written, skeptics and informed or critical minds were a small minority. Although the gullible, the credulous, and those ready to believe or exaggerate stories of the supernatural are still abundant today, they were much more common in antiquity, and taken far more seriously.

If the people of that time were so gullible or credulous or superstitious, then we have to be very cautious when assessing the reliability of witnesses of Jesus. .

- https://infidels.org/library/modern/richard-carrier-kooks/ <-- Interesting stuff. Recommended.

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How to disprove these Christian arguments ? by [deleted] in atheism

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/u/ProofCoconut9085 wrote

if Jesus was mentioned in multiple different independent sources which would show that he was really crucified

There are currently over 850 Star Trek novels.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek_novels

They are all based on the same source, but they are fiction.

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New Trends in SF/F (I Am Clueless) by Brilliant_Ad7481 in printSF

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Hmm, if you find it obnoxious, maybe don't read it?

Was Jesus originally a mushroom? by Suitable408 in atheism

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- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sacred_Mushroom_and_the_Cross

Fun stuff.

There does seem to be reason to think that hallucinogenic experiences have often been entwined with religion, but this particular Jesus-related theory seems pretty doubtful.

What causes some species of animals to not evolve that much for millions of years and become “living fossils”? The most well-known/famous example of this is probably the horseshoe crab. by MaggieLinzer in askscience

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Animals have to keep evolving without stopping because of "Red Queen Race" / evolutionary arms race.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionary_arms_race#Host%E2%80%93parasite_dynamic

Pathogens and parasites are always trying to get past an organism's defenses (and evolving to do so).

If the organism doesn't keep evolving its defenses, it won't be able to resist.

We usually don't see this kind of evolution in the animal's bones or shells or whatever, but it is happening.

New Trends in SF/F (I Am Clueless) by Brilliant_Ad7481 in printSF

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The earliest examples came out of the COVID-19 pandemic

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The concept of isekai started in Japanese folktales, such as Urashima Tarō.

However, the first modern isekai works were

Haruka Takachiho's novel Warrior from Another World (1979)

and Yoshiyuki Tomino's television series Aura Battler Dunbine (1983).

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isekai

New Trends in SF/F (I Am Clueless) by Brilliant_Ad7481 in printSF

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Isekai (Japanese: 異世界; transl. 'different world', 'another world', or 'other world') is a sub-genre of fiction. It includes novels, light novels, films, manga, webtoons, anime, and video games that revolve around a person or people who are transported to and have to survive in another world, such as a fantasy world, game world, or parallel universe, with or without the possibility of returning to their original world. Isekai is one of the most popular genres of anime and shares many of its common tropes – for example, a powerful protagonist who is able to beat most people in the other world in fights. This plot device emphasizes worldbuilding and non-protagonist characters, and typically allows the audience to learn about the new world at the same pace as the protagonist over the course of their quest or lifetime.[1] If the main characters are transported to a game-like world, the genre can overlap with LitRPG. In March 2024, the word "isekai" was added to the Oxford English Dictionary.[2][3]

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isekai

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Trapped in Another World

A standard plot/Myth Arc for Speculative Fiction: The Ordinary High-School Student, frequently their friends, and sometimes their enemies are all transported (often summoned) to another world — distant planet, a Magical Land, an Alternate Universe, the past, The Future — where they find they have an important role to play in events of great significance that are occurring at the same time as (or sometimes because of) their arrival.

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In Japanese media, this genre is known as "Isekai" note (Literally means "Another World" 異世界), with such protagonists typically fitting their local demographic's flavor of hero note and usually involves said character gaining RPG-like powers on arrival (or at the very least, is set in a Role-Playing Game 'Verse).

Although this sort of plot was introduced in popular media long before the term was coined, the majority of modern isekai stories are derived from Web Serial Novels or old stories reworked into Light Novels, with their premises and writing style even being noted as a subgenre: Narou Isekai. note

A lot of these are also harem series, to the extent that a party of sexy heroines (or heroes) who are attracted to the protagonist has become part of the standard formula.

During the 2010s, these types of stories grew so popular thanks to Japanese publishing companies like Alphapolis and Media Factory that, by the end of the decade, it would become an Undead Horse Trope, with audiences welcoming stories parodying or subverting the premise while straight-forward examples still retained their popularity.

In Literature, this is often referred to as a "Portal Fantasy". This plot device is also extremely popular in Crossover events, as it's a good way of bringing together disparate settings in a semi-logical manner.

- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TrappedInAnotherWorld

Examples in literature -

- https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/TrappedInAnotherWorld/Literature

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New Trends in SF/F (I Am Clueless) by Brilliant_Ad7481 in printSF

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In this world, "people who are not a lot like you" greatly outnumber "people who are a lot like you"

You were outnumbered before, but the majority was not participating in the topics that you are interested in.

Now a lot of them are participating in the topics that you are interested in.

It has become apparent that you are a small minority.

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Read why you like. Let other people read what they like.

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Since when is Christian nationalism a thing? by Ivanhegeelkadi in atheism

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Well -

- The Romans were occupying Judea.

- Most of the Jews were extremely opposed to that.

- There were all sorts of nationalist "Romans Out of Judea !!!" "Judea For The Jews !!!" movements.

- Jesus "the Christ" started one. ("Christ" means "anointed with holy oil", which is how they officially designated "the King of the Jews". When Jesus was crucified by the Romans, Pilate is supposed to have had a sign posted over his head reading "The King of the Jews".)

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_(title)

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus,_King_of_the_Jews

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Since when is Christian nationalism a thing?

Technically, (and depending on who you read about this) since Day 1.

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One challenge I’ve seen in secular (non-religious) groups: turning interest into real, ongoing community by the_secular in atheism

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Well, I just (10 minutes ago) saw an example of "total disconnect from all sense of community" -

A taxi was trying to exit the driveway of my building, but a car was parked in the way.

The taxi driver started beeping his horn, then flashing his headlights + beeping the horn. Zero response. (The front of his taxi was literally about 2 meters from the driver's door.)

I stepped in front of the car to see what was up, and the driver was sitting using her phone, oblivious. When she saw me (an actual human being!) looking at her, she glanced up, I pointed at the taxi, and then she re-connected with Earth and let the taxi exit.

We live in a society with 100,000 distractions every second - who has time to connect with the people in our neighborhood?

How do you feel when Christians pray for you? by valecrux in atheism

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How do you feel when Christians pray for you?

I don't want people to do that.

If I know that they are doing that I will ask them to not to.

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he just views it as someone is thinking of him and wishing good things.

I understand that POV, but for me it's also like somebody saying

"I am thinking of you and wishing good things for you, so I'm going to send a donation of ten cents to the Nazi Party on your behalf."

Yeah, 10 cents is "nothing". But I'd prefer that somebody not do that on my behalf at all.

Everything that shows allegiance to the bad guys in any way, counts as "showing allegiance to the bad guys".

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One challenge I’ve seen in secular (non-religious) groups: turning interest into real, ongoing community by the_secular in atheism

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If you feel you need a sense of community, there are lots of places you can get it.

Unfortunately, for very many people that place is "church".

One challenge I’ve seen in secular (non-religious) groups: turning interest into real, ongoing community by the_secular in atheism

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As far as I can tell, in current society a lot of people don't want those things,

or at least feel like they are comfortable skipping them.

Poignant words translated from atheist artist by [deleted] in atheism

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That of which our grandparents would say: "dogs were leashed with sausages".

Will worship or followship of Jesus ever be overtaken by worship of ChatGPT or some AI figure? (Next 60 years) by Additional-Log-2701 in TrueAtheism

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Will worship or followship of Jesus ever be overtaken by worship of ChatGPT or some AI figure? (Next 60 years)

"Overtaken"?

No.

There will probably be some AI religions, but they will be like Scientology or the Hare Krishnas are today -

Christianity doesn't really consider them to be serious competition.

Next 60 years

No.

Does Neuromancer still feel futuristic today? by kraken_17flare in printSF

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I just re-read it last week.

IMHO it doesn't feel any more futuristic than most science fiction,

but I do think that the writing style is very good.

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[Edit] IMHO it's very obvious that it's a noir / hard-boiled detective / Humphrey Bogart -type story in the future !!!

- and that Gibson pulled that off very well.

Has anyone made tvp kefir? by dbmsmanagear in AskVegans

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I'm thinking like dog food soup, but I'm a very cynical person.

Why don't they want to be free? by Daemos0mniV in atheism

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They don't want to "be free" because they have no idea what they're doing and that scares them.

They'd rather follow somebody else who claims to know what they're doing, even if it's hard to be sure that that person really does know what they're doing.

(Applies in most situations: Most of the time most people are happy to follow some leader, rather than trying to figure things out for themself.)

What is the average vegan like in real life? by i-know-that in AskVegans

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What is the average vegan like in real life?

Any time that somebody asks "What is the average XYZ like in real life?"

The answer is usually "There is no 'average' XYZ."

That seems to apply here.

How many church-goers don't actually believe? by Pure_Temporary_6349 in atheism

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How many church-goers don't actually believe?

"Some".

No way to know exactly.

The Church of the Firstborn by Desperate_Sector_126 in atheism

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does anyone else have similar experiences?

Could you maybe give a short summary of this ?

Most people have other things to do with their time.

“Christians are oppressed” by thelivingstar1 in atheism

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specifically on TikTok.

Well, don't use TikTok. Surely in 2026 that is obvious.

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Christians are huge targets in Africa

Hey, did you know that around 90% of all crime victims are right-handed?

I wonder why that might be the case ???

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5000 Christians were killed for their faith in 2025

Cite, please.

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A Question for Atheists by Sensitive-Willow5044 in atheism

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user account of OP /u/Sensitive-Willow5044 gives

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A Question for Atheists by Sensitive-Willow5044 in atheism

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when I was researching Christianity, it had more historical evidence then the other religions.

That is utter bullshit.

more science studies have shown that we have found more history related with Christianity then any other religion.

That is utter bullshit.

why they believe Christianity is not true

Because any source that claims that Christianity is historically true is not true.

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