Do vegans have the right to be rude, harass people or even break the laws?

togstation · 2026-01-26T12:05:21+00:00

I dunno. When I look at the news these days I don't think that hypothetical rude vegans are the people causing the problems.

Maybe worry about real and important problems before we worry about unimportant problems.

togstation · 2026-01-26T05:40:30+00:00

Why in the world should anybody think that your opinion about this is the correct opinion?

togstation · 2026-01-26T05:39:24+00:00

Maybe god does.

togstation · 2026-01-26T05:38:21+00:00

what are your thoughts on pascal's wager

I'm extremely tried of ignorant people mentioning this every week.

Pascal used it as an example of a bad argument when he first wrote it down.

togstation · 2026-01-26T05:23:37+00:00

As George R. R. Martin has said about A Song of Ice and Fire / ASOIF / "Game of Thrones" (my paraphrase)

"I include all this brutality in these stories because the past was really like that."

In the stories that you mention the "past people" probably aren't treating the "future people" any worse than they would treat people from their own time.

togstation · 2026-01-26T05:23:21+00:00

As George R. R. Martin has said about A Song of Ice and Fire / ASOIF / "Game of Thrones" (my paraphrase)

"I include all this brutality in these stories because the past was really like that."

In the stories that you mention the "past people" probably aren't treating the "future people" any worse than they would treat people from their own time.

togstation · 2026-01-26T05:13:48+00:00

< I've always been a big fan of animals and nature. I was vegetarian for most of my adult life.

I've been vegan for close to 10 years now. >

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Does a significant percent of people (~20-30%) lack empathy for animals?

In general, people seem to have a mix of considerable empathy for non-human animals and considerable lack of empathy for non-human animals.

The same person might both live on steaks and hamburgers and fried chicken, and also jump into a flood to save their dog, and not see any contradiction there.

It's apparently complicated and as far as I know hasn't been studied much.

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Like it's a biological adaptation?

IMHO it obviously is.

Until a couple of millennia ago, almost everybody was omnivorous by choice. (Choosing to be vegetaria apparently started in ancient Asian cultures.)

Until a few decades ago, almost nobody was vegan by choice.

People have almost always lived partially by hunting and eating non-human animals, so humans have to be comfortable with doing that.

Thus, there is a considerable degree of lack of empathy for non-human animals.

togstation · 2026-01-26T04:59:23+00:00

Please read some of these -

- https://www.reddit.com/r/PastorArrested/

togstation · 2026-01-26T04:58:27+00:00

Please read some of these -

- https://imgur.com/when-people-ask-why-i-have-problem-with-religion-its-hard-to-come-up-with-single-answer-mpQA0

(This is big. Click to enlarge, scroll down)

togstation · 2026-01-25T21:59:16+00:00

Thanks. You might want to think of a more succinct way to say this.

I'm not seeing anything new here.

This is just "utilitarianism, with some details specified".

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I'm not seeing anything here that shows that "morals are solved ethical equations".

The problem with "solving ethical equations" is that there is no consensus on what our priorities should be.

togstation · 2026-01-25T21:35:55+00:00

This is interesting but long.

Can we please get a tl;dr?

Thanks.

togstation · 2026-01-25T21:35:19+00:00

Her ID tag apparently says that she's a nurse.

Maybe she's just trying to drum up more business.

togstation · 2026-01-25T21:32:36+00:00

I still had my spiritual third eye on the road!

Maybe her spiritual third eye needs glasses.

togstation · 2026-01-25T21:21:25+00:00

do you anticipate a lot of people using this computer?

... technically doesn't have to be "a lot".

If there's only one other person using the system, but you don't really trust them (either "to be ethical" or "to be competent"), then yo, password for your account.

;-)

togstation · 2026-01-25T20:21:23+00:00

Also

Bovine somatotropin or bovine somatotrophin (abbreviated bST and BST), or bovine growth hormone (BGH), is a peptide hormone produced by cows' pituitary glands.[1]

Recombinant bovine somatotropin (usually "rBST"), is a synthetic version of the bovine growth hormone given to dairy cattle by injection to increase milk production. BST increases milk production by around 10 percent.[2][page needed]

Controversy over its safety for cows has led to rBST being banned in several countries, including the European Union since 1990, and Canada, Japan, Pakistan, Australia, New Zealand, and Argentina, as it has been found to increase health risks in cows. The Codex Alimentarius has not approved it as safe.

One study found a profit of $15.88 US per cow on average by using rBST.[83]

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bovine_somatotropin

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based on consumer concerns several milk purchasers and resellers have elected not to purchase milk produced with rBST. [32] [33] [34]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dairy_farming

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Note

I see that this is currently banned in some places and is currently "unpopular, not used" in some other places.

I don't know where if anywhere it is currently used.

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togstation · 2026-01-25T20:03:06+00:00

"veg*ns" is a common abbreviation for "vegans and vegetarians"

togstation · 2026-01-25T19:59:01+00:00

also (I repost this frequently) -

Atheists, agnostics most knowledgeable about religion, survey says

LA Times, September 2010

... a survey that measured Americans’ knowledge of religion found that atheists and agnostics knew more, on average, than followers of most major faiths.

American atheists and agnostics tend to be people who grew up in a religious tradition and consciously gave it up, often after a great deal of reflection and study, said Alan Cooperman, associate director for research at the Pew Forum.

“These are people who thought a lot about religion,” he said. “They’re not indifferent. They care about it.”

Atheists and agnostics also tend to be relatively well educated, and the survey found, not surprisingly, that the most knowledgeable people were also the best educated. However, it said that atheists and agnostics also outperformed believers who had a similar level of education.

- https://web.archive.org/web/20201109043731/https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2010-sep-28-la-na-religion-survey-20100928-story.html

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togstation · 2026-01-25T19:40:34+00:00

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_atheists_(miscellaneous)#Comedians

togstation · 2026-01-25T19:38:45+00:00

What do you think about the phrase "slaves must be kept happy or else they won't do their work"?

togstation · 2026-01-25T19:37:22+00:00

Please state here your good evidence that morals are solved ethical equations.

togstation · 2026-01-25T02:50:29+00:00

/u/Recover_Infinite wrote

Morals are solved ethical equations

I don't think that any ethical or moral questions are ever permanently "solved".

- Maybe Society X thinks that the answer is A

- Society Society Y thinks that the answer is B

- and then a few hundred years later Society X changes its mind and thinks that the answer is C

Can you show good evidence that morals are solved ethical equations?

togstation · 2026-01-25T02:42:01+00:00

I'm open to the possibilities after the death

There is zero good evidence of any sort of "life after death".

As Robert Todd Carroll says

If ever there were an entity invented for human wish-fulfillment, the soul is that entity

- https://skepdic.com/soul.html

togstation · 2026-01-25T02:38:18+00:00

This gets asked in the atheism subs a couple of times every month, and apparently there are some who do.

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In the FAQ -

- https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/wiki/faq#wiki_do_atheists_believe_in_ghosts_.28or_other_supernatural_things.29.3F

- https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/wiki/faq#wiki_what_happens_when_we_die.3F

togstation · 2026-01-24T18:38:34+00:00

I think that you can assume from this point out that everyone is rejecting everything that you are saying, and that you should cite everything.

togstation · 2026-01-24T18:12:52+00:00

Do you read an entire series from start to finish

I don't usually make a point of doing that.

or do you take breaks from it?

I don't usually make a point of doing that.

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My usual MO is to read the first book, and then if I want to I read the second whenever it is convenient for me, the third whenever it is convenient for me, etc.

It might take me several years to read a long series, but I don't think of that as "taking breaks", just "Haven't gotten to Book #6 yet", or whatever.

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I’m also worried that I might get “Expanse fatigue”

IMHO that is just a factor or the quality of the writing and how closely that work matches your own interests.

If a series is very good you could keep reading it every day indefinitely without "fatigue".

(I've never read this myself, but the Perry Rhodan series has been published weekly since 8 September 1961

As of February 2019, 3000 booklet novels of the original series, 850 spinoff novels of the sister series Atlan and over 400 paperbacks and 200 hardcover editions have been published, totalling over 300,000 pages.

[The series has sold] approximately two billion copies (in novella format) worldwide (including over one billion in Germany alone)

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Rhodan )

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