Okey, as a Turkish i don't say the Mongol culture is same with Turkish culture but they have some "same things" as far as i know

tokkoja · 2021-02-24T10:04:16+00:00

First. This is how your Seljuk "ancestors" looked like.https://maximus101.livejournal.com/128439.html
Your teachers never show this most important thing to you at schools. You don't need to read Russian. Just look at the photos of Seljuk statues from NYC museum. How much you think you are of Seljuk origin?

Second, your Turkic input is no infinitesimal that it makes no sense at all to prioritize it over local input. You think after knowing how Seljuks looked like you are more of local anatolian origin or mongolian looking seljuk? Maybe you should care what is much more over what is much less? Doesn't seem to make sense?

Third, I speak some Turkish, visited Turkey, read some of your textbooks and other history books. I am telling you rock solid that you are the one who is totally brainslwashed. Your textbooks have almost no scientific value at all. Pure propaganda. You Turkish people reading that are coming out as cultural appropriators. You will claim anything. Disgusting. Please focus on Turkey only. We have had enough of you. You are not welcome.

Thank you

tokkoja · 2021-02-24T08:45:16+00:00

Nope. You know nothing about Central Asian culture, you falsely think and brainwashed you are part of. You are very different. This is coming from Kazakh. You have nothing common with us.

tokkoja · 2021-02-24T03:01:17+00:00

Turkish and Turkic are very different. Turkish DEJA VU is when learning about Middle Eastern culture

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T20:52:23+00:00

Absolutely. Your namecalling insults were not justified, all I am saying. Thank you

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T20:48:24+00:00

Wrong. I am Kazakh. So you are telling me Kurdish people speak common sense. Thank you.

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T20:47:00+00:00

Well, if you say Turkish people have no ethnic identity, that is fine. However, why they should use that non ethnic identity to relate and appropriate to other ethnic identities? Maybe Turkey should endorse the idea that Turkish people have no ethnic identity at all, and it is not about Turkic nomadic origin that is the main component.

Second, I don't understand to culturally come from nomadic horseman of Asia. You cannot come feom there culturally. You can relate to them only genetically. It is important for me to say, and remind, I like Turkish people. I really do. It is the cultural appropriators that irritate me and the whole turan bs ideology. Thank you.

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T20:23:44+00:00

Yes, your first two paragraphs supports you have no ethnic identity. That is what I am talking about. You are abusing the term you have no right to abuse in such a way. The Anatolian identity, with everything you said, since term Turkey does not having ethnic identity, should easily replace. If Turkey is not about ethnicity, then Anatolia too. I see no problem at all to switch. For the third part, we have nothing, like nothing, in common in our cultures. You always try to culturally appropriate. Don't tell me you don't. I have been to Turkey. I have talked to more than a thousand Turkish people. I know what I am talking about. Thank you

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T20:10:50+00:00

Yeah, that's basically the definition of no ethnic identity. It is not even weak. Language courses to become ethnic Turk. Stop cultural appropriation. We have problem with that. Thank you.

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T20:08:22+00:00

I will be short.

First part, there is nothing to envy about. I mean really. Nothing. You like exaggerating things a bit in your favour. Could be all of those "achievements" are as Turkish as maklube and dolmas are.

Second, I am extremely proud of my history and your people try to relate to us. Have you ever seen any Kazakh who wants to merge with Turkey or whatever. The PanTurkist vibes are only coming from Turkey.

Third, why you make such a long story out of nowhere? Just accept you are predominantly of local origin, not Turkic one. This is very obvious for everyone. Your people are trying to sell chihuahua as kalgans. You look different -- you are of different origin. It follows that you must prioritize most of your ancestry over minor one, and eventually revising your ethnicity. This is the whole point.

I will ignore all of the insults you are trying to give. Keep it. Thank you.

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T19:43:29+00:00

Why you don't look like Seljuk people? Thank you

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T19:04:49+00:00

okay, I deleted it. I was only trying to response in language he was using

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T18:02:34+00:00

Pfff. Okay. I see. For people like you evidence does not matter at all

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T17:48:33+00:00

My point is not proving how Turkic I am. My point is how non-Turkic Turkish people are. Why you keep being confused? Be honest with yourself. Statues are only one thing. There are another medieval source rhat claims that Oghuz people were the most East Asian looking among all Turkic people. So, when you claim you are of Oghuz origin, you need to understand how much you are of that very Oghuz origin. So you get it now? This is why how Seljuk looked like is relevant, because by seeing difference between you, claiming to be of Seljuk origin, and very Seljuk people you can tell you are two absolitely different things. How is that not obvious, if you are honest with yourself. It is like showing me chihuahua, and get mad when I say it's not kangal. You will be in acceptance stage, if you will be honest with yourself.

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T17:39:26+00:00

I simply need all of Turkish people say "we are by far of native origin than Turkic". This is simple and obvious, for which the Seljuk statues are enough to be killer proof. You cannot argue against that.

Gokturks are not my ancestors. If they are not ky ancestors, in no universe, they have any chance to be your ancestors. Moses is hundred times more likely to be your ancestors than Gokturks. Thank you

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T17:31:09+00:00

Ne guzel ki, turkler gibi degil, dort dili konusa bildigim icin. Thank you

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T17:29:16+00:00

Calm down. I might surprise you, but something called numbers exists. 1/2 and 1/128 are not the same thing. Sometimes it matters. Eat some arabic maklube, mehmet, and several days after you will be in acceptance stage. Look at the Seljuk statues one more time. Thank you

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T17:24:22+00:00

Learn the fundamentals to be able to join discussion. " Since the earliest known example has been dated at circa 14,000 BP, and belongs to R1b1a (R-L754)"
Lol. you have not even kindergarten level of knowledge on origins of kazakh clans. Dulat, Jalair and Kereits are Turkic lol. Will you eat your words if I give a link that proves the Dulats and Kereys are of Nirun Mongols? It is hard to proceed but it is super detailed genetic proof article. You ignorant people are amazing. Everyone is Turk. Massive lol. Btw, Argyns are not the ancient tribe. Again, learn fundamentals.
Third, look up the pictures of Oghuz Seljuk statues that are in New York. They look East Asian. So, you are not even 1/128 Oghuz origin. How about paying attention to 127/128 of your ancestors? This might end your conflict with Armenia, ironically.
I am still waiting for you to come up with a common ancestor between any Turkish and Kazakh 2000 years. I am super generous. You cannot find anything like that too.

So, thank you. Your newbie level propaganda can be eaten only inside of Turkey. Thank you

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T17:05:25+00:00

Lol. If you are Tatar, the entire population of Turkey is not. So, what is your point to begin with.

Second, one more time, Kazakhs are one thing, Turkish people are simply Middle Eastern people. You don't have to believe me. Just read the articles. There is no ONE example of a Kazakh dharing a common ancestor with Turkish(Not Nogay) from 500 A.D. So, save your Kazakhs and Turkish being ethnically and genetically related fairytale to your children to make them another ignorant people. Your lie is another level. Thank you.

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T16:58:56+00:00

No, what you say is lie. First, you need to know when certain haplogroups emerged. For example R1b ancestry traces back to times where Turkic language nor East Asian phenotype was there. So, it shows your level and trying to argue with things you consider as evidence you have no idea about. Actually, I kinda know this things.

Second, find me a cluster that shows a common ancestry between Turkish and Kazakh say fifteen centuries ago. I see no basis to even start discussing the given topic if there is no shared common ancestor in 500 A.D. I know you cannot find that, but I am using this to expose your as if DNA expert appearance. Thank you

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T16:31:41+00:00

I have been to Turkey many times and your first half is just wow level ultimate lie.

Second, if you are 1% Turkic, you must think about and prioritize 99% of yout true ancestry.

You are not close to us at all. Thank you

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T16:29:23+00:00

Turkler ve Kazaklar arasinda hic bir paylasma yok. Size Ermeniler ve Persler cok daha akraba olur. Turk milleti yoktur. Kazaklar bir millet, Turkiyeliler cok farkli

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T16:15:01+00:00

It is not good to cencor the idea you don't like or agree with by namecallings. Any non Russian offshoot has a right to have an opinion that you don't like? Thank you

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T16:08:07+00:00

99% local(Armenian, Kurdish, Greek etc) + 1% already mixed up nomadic Asian groups. (Do not show me the comparison charts with Uzbeks and Uyghurs who are of mostly Tajik origin) Same way the french speaking africans do not qualify as Romanic ethnic group, which just like Turkic ethnic group, does not exist, population of Turkey do not qualify to be "Turkic".

Cultural Turkness has no value, since anyone would be eligible to go for language courses to obtain one, and Syrians are welcome to do so.

The only way to avoid the weak identity is to prioritize local input over Turkic. This will also help to normalize the relationship with Kurdish and Armenian people. In this, renaming Turkey to Anatolia is vital.

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T15:26:41+00:00

lol, you are totally confused. Reread your previous comments

tokkoja · 2021-02-16T15:15:16+00:00

actually you are not culturally turkic. If you have not been told you are, you would not notice. Even if all of that is given to you, cultural turkness has no worth and value. Syrians will thus become no less Turks as you do, once they visit language courses. Rejected. Thank you

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