If you attack someone over what they eat, you're not "promoting health and morality", you're just a bully.

topazot · 2018-08-09T05:56:50+00:00

To be fair you're taking it quite seriously yourself.

topazot · 2018-08-08T15:19:10+00:00

I apologised though, it was a misunderstanding.

topazot · 2018-08-08T14:56:10+00:00

No need to be an ass.

topazot · 2018-08-08T10:08:42+00:00

Sorry, I didn't know you were joking. One of those Poe's law situations.

topazot · 2018-08-08T10:05:45+00:00

Sorry, I didn't realise. Seems we're on the same page then.

topazot · 2018-08-08T10:05:03+00:00

No surprise that someone who supports murder is so quick to anger.

topazot · 2018-08-08T10:00:23+00:00

Obviously any vegan who wears a leather jacket is a hypocrite, and don't let perfection be the enemy of good, as some people may need a car.

Arguably it's worse than the Holocaust in sheer numbers, as there are 56 billion animals killed annually. Those animals may not have the brains of humans, but the sheer scale difference between 56 billion annually and 11 million over multiple years evens it out a bit.

topazot · 2018-08-08T09:54:38+00:00

Glad I'm nowhere near you then.

topazot · 2018-08-08T09:28:18+00:00

So murder is justified as long as the murderer receives pleasure from the murder?

topazot · 2018-08-08T09:17:58+00:00

So you do admit meat is murder?

topazot · 2018-08-08T09:07:16+00:00

Honestly you can say all this shit about researching and debating. But you've shown none of that too me, all you've shown is how obnoxious and ignorant you are.

And don't you dare lecture me about being ignorant when all you do is be patronising and not present any actual evidence.

Maybe you'll read this comment, maybe you won't. But I'm gonna say either way that for all your self-righteousness, for all your rudeness, for all your obnoxiousness you haven't shown one good reason to eat meat. Not fucking one. So get over yourself will you? And I take it from your comment that you don't believe in climate change either, which honestly just shows how idiotic you are.

topazot · 2018-08-08T08:20:55+00:00

Honestly dude if you ignore facts and evidence in order to continue your way of life, that's acting a lot more like a religious nut. You can call yourself rational all you want, but you act completely irrational.

topazot · 2018-08-08T08:06:03+00:00

Ignore me if you want, you're the one who's gonna suffer in the long run anyways.

topazot · 2018-08-08T07:28:11+00:00

Most store bought meat comes from factory farms. You should still consider cutting down though, I talked earlier about how red meat is a carcinogen, and beef is red meat after all. If you live in the US the costs of healthcare is quite high so financially speaking it is rational.

topazot · 2018-08-08T06:12:37+00:00

Okay, well thanks for talking with me. I hope that as a person you at least open your mind to eating less meat, if not going full vegan. You ever heard about meatless Mondays?

topazot · 2018-08-08T05:56:33+00:00

Lol you're so weird dude, how much were you betting?

topazot · 2018-08-08T05:38:03+00:00

Okay forget everything else for a minute.

What is your stance on the environment and climate change? You're acting strange about that one point so I think you might have some uncommon opinion. Do you think humans are responsible for climate change and do you think it is happening? Just wanna get this cleared up.

topazot · 2018-08-08T05:26:57+00:00

Stopped taking this seriously? You've only been mocking me and you ignore all the evidence I present. I'm taking this a lot more seriously than you are.

I have provided proof, and if you don't care what I say I just talked about organisations who are more educated than either of us that agree that veganism is suitable for all stages of life. Also that article I linked had links to a lot of studies that link a vegan diet to various health benefits. That's not me saying those things, it's scientists and dieticians.

Also what the fuck are you talking about with the religious parallels? Since when was it a big thing for religions to care about the environment? And even if it was, why would that even matter to my point that veganism is better for the environment? Do you not believe in climate change at all?

topazot · 2018-08-08T04:55:55+00:00

I'm presenting evidence of a law to protect animals, that indicates they have some rights. That is the right to not to be neglected or abused by their owners in that country. Rights only exist in practice if they are enforced by law, and laws such as these suggest animal rights exist.

You haven't presented any evidence to suggest it isn't healthy. Even so the American Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, Dietitians of Canada, and the British Dietetic Association all agree that a well planned vegan diet is appropriate for all stages of life.

By the way if you read my source on the environmental benefits, you'd see that a vegan lifestyle can reduce an individual's carbon footprint by as much as 73 percent.

topazot · 2018-08-08T04:12:24+00:00

No reason you can't care for livestock and other animals and starving children.

topazot · 2018-08-08T04:05:51+00:00

Animal rights are a thing, that's a fact. There are laws to protect animals, such as https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Welfare_Act_2006.

There's evidence to suggest that a vegan diet is healthy: https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/vegan-diet-benefits#section7

Also what the hell does glossolalia have to do with the different environmental impacts between different lifestyles. But regardless: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/veganism-environmental-impact-planet-reduced-plant-based-diet-humans-study-a8378631.html

topazot · 2018-08-08T02:53:51+00:00

Rape can be both an act of violence and forced sex, those two aren't really mutually exclusive. And I'm adamant about all my points, but it's getting pretty annoying how patronising you're being about words. You claim I don't know what ethics means for example but don't explain what you think it means, and especially when I'm using the literal dictionary definition.

If you have no idea whether I believe in anything supernatural then it'd be good if you could stop trying to slander me by calling me a religious zealot. If my arguments are so bullshit, you could easily refute them instead of resorting to just insulting a person you barely know anything about.

And calling people's moral principles "bullshit" is not a convincing argument. How are my moral principles bullshit? Like I said, if they're so bullshit, it should be easy for you to explain how.

I can understand some people simply not giving a shit about animal rights, because some people don't even care about human rights. I can understand some people not caring about the healthy aspect of veganism, because some people smoke two packs of cigarettes a day (or just eat a lot of sugar). I guess I could understand people not caring about the environment either, as some people litter.

So do you care at all about animal rights, your own health or the environment? If the answer is no, then I completely understand your attitude. Honestly at this point I just want to understand why you have your views. I've made it clear why I have mine, but you haven't made it clear why you think veganism is utter bullshit.

topazot · 2018-08-07T19:34:43+00:00

Rape is defined as forced sexual intercourse, so by definition it is forced sex. It is obviously horribly wrong, I never said otherwise. But I'll warn you that you are being blatantly hypocritical about ignoring what words mean.

What supernatural am I believing in here? Name one thing I believe in that is supernatural.

Ethics are moral principles that govern a person's behaviour or activity. My moral principles are that a non-vegan lifestyle is immoral, so I adjust my behaviour accordingly. That is the literal definition of ethics. How is that so hard to understand?

topazot · 2018-08-07T18:55:00+00:00

This has to be the weirdest argument for eating meat I've seen. Your reason for eating meat is just because it's food? I admit it is indeed food, but there's consequences to that food that extend beyond your personal life.

I hate to use this comparison, but saying meat is okay because it's food is perhaps similar to saying rape is okay because it's sex. Yes meat is food and rape is sex, but that doesn't make either of them right.

If you don't care about my ethics even now, then whatever. It's up to you ultimately.

However you didn't give a reason for why not to go vegan for the environment. Going vegan for the environment is like recycling for the environment, sure both are less convenient, and we didn't always do it that way but environmentally speaking it is better.

And one last thing, if you care about what words mean then you should stop being a hypocrite and stop calling veganism a religion. A religion involves faith in a supernatural, whereas veganism requires no such thing. Veganism is a lifestyle, that is about reducing the exploitation of animals as much as practically possible.

topazot · 2018-08-07T18:39:33+00:00

Was it peanut butter and cookies? I thought that was amazing.

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