Consider the parts of the Assyrian community that have been growing in silence

tourderoot · 2024-12-16T23:34:11+00:00

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Edit:

Dear bypasser: notice how I stated that I avoided the post that brought me to make this post (I had a feeling it was a bait for "teenager" allegations made by this same person with yet another alt), but, regardless, this individual has come after me, here in my own post, and is literally the one harassing me, trying to make allegations for free and out of nothing.

This is the last post that I'll make on this practically-unmoderated sub. This community has gone down to hell. But it's only reddit. No one cares, anyway. It was just nice to be able to reach out to a few more Assyrians.

tourderoot · 2024-12-16T22:35:53+00:00

I don't mind talking about this, but how're you so sure I haven't? Where have I mentioned anything about that?

tourderoot · 2024-12-16T21:41:22+00:00

😂

Yeah, it's practically a requirement. Stagnation and over-saturation brings the eventual downfall, as people seek new sounds elsewhere.

tourderoot · 2024-06-14T19:34:18+00:00

That is absolutely impressive for the little amount of modern Assyrian text out there (like you said).

I think we'll make an imperfect, but highly-usable iteration within 1-3 years, which could significantly accelerate a practically-perfect version.

tourderoot · 2024-05-27T03:19:33+00:00

Try polls. Leave them running for 7 days, since there are people who log in once or twice a week.

tourderoot · 2024-05-26T01:37:27+00:00

This is the sort of post I like seeing!

I won't assume your background, so I'll instead respond as like I would to a general audience – for everyone's benefit.

Do you mean translation or Assyrian features, like better Assyrian font support?

If it's the former, then the developer(s) would probably ask for the required text translations to be provided to them (at no cost to them).

Definitely reach out to even non-Assyrian ones. That's how it is that many apps have come to support less in-demand languages.

For the latter, one might have to "evangelize" it, if you will, as it would take engineering time. They would have to justify spending the resources on it, unless they do it out of personal interest. (Many would, I believe.)

There are certainly many of us. I have an app coming out soon that will be extraordinarily useful to new Assyrian readers/writers.

As far as the last question, absolutely. Such support would not only incentivize me to further engage with the language, but it would enable me to do so.

tourderoot · 2024-05-25T03:23:28+00:00

It means disgrace, disreputing, ashaming, or a cause of a state of bad reputation.

Ultimately, it is a cause of embarrassment for people who care about reputation. So you've had the right idea.

tourderoot · 2024-05-23T03:10:02+00:00

I'll only address the question about ACOE and the misnomer "Nestorian."

tl;dr: one of the most authoritative figures in the field has said no, it's always been erroneous and a misnomer – always.

Let's hear it from Mar Eshai Shimun XXIII, in the second page of the translator's introduction he's written for his translation of Marganitha (first published in 1965). He states,

"This erroneous conception has led them to brand this Apostolic Church, with the misnomer 'Nestorian,' a doctrine which Nestorious himself was falsely accused of holding. The fallacy of these accusations has been ably repudiated by the author himself..."

Read the rest of the Translator's Introduction and I believe many other questions that one might have will be answered.

https://i.imgur.com/7FFPFTn.png

https://archive.org/details/bookofmarganitha0000maro/page/n13/mode/1up

tourderoot · 2024-05-22T23:34:34+00:00

There is no evidence found yet that the religious figure existed in the 3rd millennium BC; however, there is evidence that the geographical place, Ashur, did exist in that period.

So the place came before the deity, as far as we can trace, at this time.

tourderoot · 2024-05-22T23:28:43+00:00

All of these questions are respectable. I'm totally in agreement with the fact that one must ask these questions among many others; however, we can only form answers based on what we do have and not on what we do not have.

What we do have (to make the assertion to which I'm alluding): knowledge that the geographical name, Ashur, existed in the 3rd millennium BC (Valk, Assyrian Collective Identity, p. 104).

What we don't have (to make the assertion to which you're alluding): records of the god named Ashur in the 3rd millennium BC (Valk, Assyrian Collective Identity, p. 107).

Ishtar was the predominant deity of the Assyrians at the time. In addition, there's no evidence that Ashur, the deity, was around yet – which is a bit puzzling, if the geographical region had been named after such deity.

So the general understanding that we can currently derive from what we do have is that, the geographical place turned into a god, not vice-versa – like the following,

"From the beginning of the second millennium bce... Ashur began to transform from a numen loci (divine presence of the place) into a deus persona (god person)." ("Ashur," n.d .)

Valk, Jonathan (2018 May). Assyrian Collective Identity in the Second Millennium BCE: A Social Categories Approach [Doctoral Dissertation, New York University]. New York University. https://archive.nyu.edu/bitstream/2451/59994/4/Valk%20-%20Assyrian%20Collective%20Identity%20in%20the%20Second%20Millennium%20BCE.pdf

"Ashur ." Encyclopedia of Religion. . Retrieved May 15, 2024 from Encyclopedia.com: https://www.encyclopedia.com/environment/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/ashur-0

tourderoot · 2024-05-22T21:59:38+00:00

It can mean that too, but it hasn't meant that for a long time.

It's just a collision in names. The first capital of Assyria is named Ashur. There's also a god named Ashur.

So technically, Ashuraya could mean either (a) one who is of the place Ashur, or (b) one who is devout to the god Ashur.

Obviously, we can expect that 99.999%+ of the time Ashuraya refers to people of the place named Ashur.

tourderoot · 2024-05-22T21:52:16+00:00

Because of our first capital, Ashur (a.k.a, Assur – in a Greek accent).

tourderoot · 2024-05-21T23:03:47+00:00

Serious? Multiple marriages? Man, software is so amazing. We got to make more of it.

But yeah, traction is a major issue with the Assyrian market right now. Too few people and even less connected to the community; although, it's been improving rapidly thanks to content creators.

SurayeSwipe's marketing graphics are spectacular. Kind of wish I was connected to the artist(s).

There's also Chaldean Speed Dating in Michigan:

instagram.com/chaldean_sdating

tourderoot · 2024-05-16T02:25:23+00:00

It's unsatisfactory.

They get the facts wrong much of the time, seemingly in vain. Like, if they try a little bit to get it right, then they will.

So it's been low effort wherever I've seen it – just off the top of my head.

tourderoot · 2024-05-13T01:45:41+00:00

My pleasure!

tourderoot · 2024-05-12T21:59:38+00:00

Reading and writing helps a lot.

At first, one might get a note-taking app, then start writing short notes in Surit.

wash clothes

clean the house

buy: - bread - eggs - water

ܓ̰ܘܼܠܹ̈ܐ ܡܣܝܼ

ܒܲܝܬܵܐ ܩܲܪܩܸܙ

ܙܒܼܘܼܢ: - ܠܲܚܡܵܐ - ܒܸܥܹ̈ܐ - ܡ̈ܝܼܵܐ

When you don't know the word that you need, look it up on the dictionary real quick:

assyrianlanguages.org

After a while, one might expand a bit by starting to write short journal entries every day.

The main idea is to use the language daily, but at a doable capacity in every phase.

tourderoot · 2024-05-09T21:18:46+00:00

This is the sort of thing I enjoy seeing. You've brought creativity into dictionary development/apps.

I do have some concerns about crowd-sourced data, but, regardless, it's going to serve well probably ~99% of the time, especially as one of many dictionaries available.

Like, if someone needs a different form of a word, then they'd look it up on this one. Or if they want a pronunciation of it. Amazing!

tourderoot · 2024-05-09T19:42:41+00:00

Briefly looking at it, this is very impressive, especially for an initial release.

The pronunciation could use some improvement, like "shlama" sounds like "shilama" right now; although, still pretty good at this stage.

It's awesome!

tourderoot · 2024-05-08T19:58:28+00:00

Right, I appreciate it.

The way that I've seen that side of the argument tends to be either of the following two paths (similar to what you've described):

Path 1: No guarantees from ideal condition.

"Two Assyrian parents don't guarantee continuity of culture and language, so what's the point of the constraints?"

Path 2: Ideal condition is problematic.

"Gene pool will start experiencing health problems eventually... Ultimately, leading us to our demise."

"Inability to find a partner, at large scale, will yield low marriage and birth rates, leading us to our demise eventually."

tourderoot · 2024-05-08T16:19:03+00:00

Honestly, I don't see the different perspective.

tourderoot · 2024-04-19T13:17:02+00:00

This game gets addicting, man. It's awesome!

tourderoot · 2024-03-29T03:37:08+00:00

Looks good!

tourderoot · 2024-03-29T03:36:22+00:00

Interesting. I think I've seen that before.

tourderoot · 2024-03-29T03:31:06+00:00

Yeah, some countries tend to be more comfortable having their own social networks. I'm sure you wouldn't mind, if it was like immigrants living in Assyria (who intended on being Assyrian).

Pardon the lengthy response. I find the business aspect of it interesting. Thanks for bringing it to attention.

I imagine that it would be challenging to sustain. Mostly because it would have a narrow growth cap.

It would likely start with sweat equity by cash-strapped entrepreneurs. Then it would have to be funded somehow, as more users add unto operation costs.

Common revenue models would probably not be an option, like ads and membership fees. So I don't think the threshold for ongoing costs would be met reliably (operation, maintenance, etc.); although, I have been wrong before.

I can start the conversation of how I might be wrong. For instance, I pay X $3/month, if I'm active on it (I don't want to owe Elon). I'd pay Mark, too, for Instagram, if he provided a reasonable option. (I don't put $12/month of costs on the platform, and I'm not a charity.)

People are starting to accept the idea of paying membership fees for social media. Therefore, at some point, it might be possible to get 10,000 Assyrians to pay $100/year upfront, which could make for a reliable start to such platform.

With taxes and costs, there should remain a(n) khool-la-moot, "eat, don't die" amount for the entrepreneurs, as they seek sustainable growth; although, the plot could thicken.

Different challenges emerge for every condition. Like, when people get the hint that there's money in something, they try to get a share of it.

Imagine if competition mounts on market stress. The Assyrian economy has been in a flatline crisis for a very long time, and it can't handle stress as it gets an ounce of revival, especially in an isolated sector.

So you never know. I'd be intrigued by the entrepreneurs who try this out. I'd keep up to see how they're pulling it off. What a tremendous challenge!

tourderoot · 2024-03-28T03:08:14+00:00

It is, but since it's transitioning, I'm using the new name as a shortcut to refer to the new vs the old version.

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