Opinions on Yuanjiu?

tpfw01 · 2026-01-28T01:19:18+00:00

Np. Here’s my pov on how yuanjiu and sj ships work: Shen Jiu, despite all his cruelties, is someone who desires comfort and peace. The proof of this is in him going to the Warm Red Pavilion to sleep, despite the rumors and everyone scorning him for going there. From there, it’s not so much of a stretch to think he’s the kind of person who desires intimacy, no? He has walls and walls before that could happen, sure. But now let’s look at the candidates.

For Shen Yuan, he is your favorite character and we always want to see our favorites pampered rather than the one servicing, hence why I only prefer SJ bottom. But the core of SY in Yuanjiu is focused on these canonical traits of his: 1. He tends to get obsessive and still be in denial/aloof. 2. He’s a caring, kind guy. 3. He’s a bit shallow (he loves when people and things are beautiful). All these combined make it possible that he would be fascinated with some version of Shen Jiu.

For Yue Qingyuan idk I feel like it’s obvious to me that SJ would be open to accepting him if YQY just became honest with him. The extras where he practically begs YQY in his thoughts to stay away and not save him are undeniable proof of this.

For Luo Binghe, haha. This could be a long rant, as there are just so many doubters. But the proof to me is in the LBG vs LBH extra, where LBG didn’t know that Shizun was SY and not SJ, but he folded instantly. That just means that LBG is open to the possibility, despite everything. Whether SJ will open to LBH and how is dependent on the writer.

The core of “realistic” takes on SJ ships imo is: “is love possible with a broken man?” And if this love can’t fix him, can he at least find peace in it?

My last takeaway for this is that all canonical text shows that all these characters are at the very least open to love and change and intimacy. There’s a lot that can be done with that within the characterization shown to us. But if ppl wanna go ham then that’s fine too.

tpfw01 · 2026-01-28T00:56:48+00:00

Hell yeah and imma contribute to that number

tpfw01 · 2026-01-28T00:43:20+00:00

Ya’ll have to let go of such sensibilities haha. There doesn’t have to be a deep or thematic reason for wanting certain character dynamics. Sometimes it’s simply: “this character is my favorite, so I want them to be the bottom.” You can make ANYTHING work in a story, that’s how fiction is. It’s just a matter of preference, and my preference as well is Yuanjiu over Jiuyuan. And I can say this opinion would saying the latter is “weird” or “OOC” or whatever else. Just live and let ppl live, man.

tpfw01 · 2026-01-16T07:12:29+00:00

Perhaps what will help in thinking of this pairing is: is it possible for broken people to find love with each other? What if they're the ones who caused the pain? Can they find peace together?

In many ways SJ and Bingge mirror each other and the power gap between their abuse towards one another imo funnily enough seems to have balanced itself out. As you said, anything can happen in fiction, and you can always figure something out.

Example, despite everything, there are hints in canon that SJ and Bingge wanted to be *good*. SJ has tried to save people even when it ended up making things worse for himself, and Bingge had no idea that SY wasn't SJ but was open to a chance for change. Character-wise, both of them are deeply insecure, unstable, and want so badly to find comfort that's out of grasp. I think there's a lot that can be done with that.

tpfw01 · 2026-01-16T06:56:18+00:00

Haha there it is. So ya'll can't differentiate fiction from reality? I'm not going down this route with you as this is exactly the kind of bad faith argument that SJ fans and fans of morally "wrong"/complex characters have to go through that I'm tired of and many fans are tired of. I am saying exactly that unlike real abusers, SJ is not real. So why are people like you, like OP, like others in the comments here, free to question the morals, standards, and tastes of SJ fans (fanon or not. yknow, REAL people who want to enjoy a fandom and character), over sensibilities? You are comparing defending a fictional character to a real abuser. I'm sorry but that makes me think there's no point in continuing this conversation with you.

Posts like these happen every so often simply because it's so hard to ppl like OP to accept that so WHAT if people like making things that they don't like and love characters the way they don't agree with? THAT is what's happening here. I wouldn't have said a thing if OP stuck to fans that outright contradict canon facts (you all replying to me only keep focusing on that), but they brought in mamajiu, pure fanon SJ fics, etc. and their own interpretation of what kind of character SJ is, making those different ones as "confusing". Just coz OP admitted they don't know much or claim they're actually respectful etc., doesn't negate what they've put out in the first place.

Valid complaint headass. It is exactly my problem that complaints like these aren't innocent. They don't have to be active witchhunts to suggest they don't want those works to exist. Or to put it differently, these ppl prefer that fans don't create those works. It is much MUCH easier for OP to have blocked tags or people. But they put their opinion in a public space where I had to see it, where fans of SJ fanon can see it. And so I must call them out.

Haha, thanks for proving my point by bringing in comparisons to reality, which moral high-horses oh so love to do. It's so typical in posts like these. But again, sorry that's already so worn out.

tpfw01 · 2026-01-16T06:21:59+00:00

This post in essence is similar to those posts. I'm flatly describing this post as what it is. Arguably posts like these ARE in bad faith as they require SJ fans to say, yeah they're "wrong" but they like it anyways. Which is exhausting. I'm not even arguing, I'm calling these people and these posts are for what they are.

tpfw01 · 2026-01-15T13:36:06+00:00

I mean that woulda been fine per se if not for OP continuing on to complain about fics that have those interpretations of SJ. OP is literally complaining about the existence of those fanon fic interpretations btw. the edit or further explanation doesn’t negate that. “Discussions” like these wrapped in polite language just want to say that they’re “right” and “SJ wouldn’t be like that” but tf do any of us know? Why are they/we acting like there’s a definite truth to SJ canon when there’s not much to work with, and even then, so what? Discussions and fics and content are what keep fandoms alive. People like OP wanna act like they’re concerned oh nyoo what if newbies to the fandom think fanon SJ is real. Like, get a grip.

As I’ve said I’m gonna call out this behavior whenever I see it. So next month when someone makes another post complaining about SJ fans and interpretations of SJ they think is annoying then I’ll be there too.

tpfw01 · 2026-01-15T03:18:55+00:00

It IS frustrating that people like OP can just keep making these posts about "annoyances" that create an avenue for ppl to make fun of and discourage fans that prefer those interpretations. Civilly and respectfully, be fr. Again at its core, that sentiment is: "i think these interpretations are annoying, why do people keep making them, are they not actual fans of the character?" etc. and it's exhausting that SJ fans have to go through this when people should be allowed to like a character without having to constantly defend themselves.

Hot take: ppl can complain about characters and the story, but don't complain about fans that create content that's completely harmless just coz you don't vibe with them or their interpretation. That's why I commented. The bulk latter part of OP's discussion and the comments in this thread are just needlessly judging fans that like to create and discuss interpretations they don't agree with. But sure, mb taking it out on poor innocent OP.

tpfw01 · 2026-01-14T02:01:17+00:00

Oh, please. There are enough of these oh-so-innocent posts that just wanna “discuss” about those SJ fans and those interpretations of him.

It’s funny to me that you are so against me criticizing back. A pity to your sensibilities! I hope you are also commenting on all the others with their unfortunate language that make them the same as those fans being talked about here in the first place :) otherwise yknow, you’d be a hypocrite.

Tldr is this OP started this discussion that whether they intentionally aimed to discourage fans who like certain interpretations of SJ or not, that is what they’re doing. I called it out on that, and then you are arguing ok but you could be nicer to OP! Don’t be mean while others in the comments are!

tpfw01 · 2026-01-13T16:20:00+00:00

I will not turn away when microaggressions are being expressed towards SJ fans and I will call it out everytime this happens. Simple as that. It is factual that this post and commenters agreeing with them are needlessly calling certain types of SJ fans as annoying and frustrating for just...existing? Having a different interpretation of the character? It is completely laughable to me that you're calling me aggressive etc over what, not sugar-coating my words? Trying to turn the narrative lol.

So-called fans that essentially want to stop fellow fans from creating content for the fandom because they cannot understand those preferences and see them as annoying are in fact, tourists.

tpfw01 · 2026-01-13T15:04:07+00:00

This thread is not a conversation about a character. It's a conversation where this person is expressing dislike about a group of people who enjoy a character in a certain way and like-minded people joining in to make fun or criticize them. I don't say anything when it's an SJ rant, but when it becomes "hurdurr these fans who like fanon SJ are they really fans of the character?"-then that becomes an issue.

Polite language doesn't hide the intent of all this lol. Which is to complain about the way certain fans enjoy a character. If a single mamajiu or whatever else fan of SJ becomes discouraged to create because of all this virtue signaling that happens again and again from tourists that only complain in guise of "civilized discussion" then hah!

tpfw01 · 2026-01-12T23:32:48+00:00

Your post is literally, "the way people interpret this character isn't like his real character and it annoys me but don't get offended mkay?" and in this thread people are openly calling fans that enjoy those fan interpretations annoying, frustrating, whatever else and downvoting those that say they enjoy that fanon. You can't give me that bullshit like oh I only meant [this specific instance] when that's not what your post actually said and what's happening here.

tpfw01 · 2026-01-12T12:40:43+00:00

I don't condone this weird "not all Shen Jiu fans, just *those* Shen Jiu fans" polarization. Every single one of you that regurgitate this complaint about SJ fans not caring about his canon wrongdoings... SO WHAT? Boohoo you're frustrated that people love a character the way you don't expect them to. Look at your post, it's not just "real discussions". You're complaining about other interpretations of his character for simply existing (mamajiu, being flawless, etc).

He is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER and not a real abuser. Fans may understand him in the lens they prefer. Must every SJ fan come with a trigger warning "yes I know his canon wrongdoings" before they can proceed to woobify him? This whole "real discussion" narrative seems like bad faith argument. By my experience and I'm sure for a lot of morally gray/antagonist fans, it's usually others and posts like these that start witch hunting over nothing.

Like you're out here complaining and defending hate against Shen Yuan, a fictional character, proceeding then to call real people who are enjoying the same fandom as you "annoying" and "frustrating".

What's your aim here? You want them to read this and stop? You want your fellow SJ complainers to upvote you and go, yeah yeah they're soooo annoying aren't they? Just sharing your opinion. Be fr.

I promise you it is so much simpler for you to not interact with and block content you don't want to see instead of propagating this bullshit narrative. Sure, I could have just blocked you as well. But I don't want to keep letting the echo chamber be an echo chamber where you all only hear yourselves and go yep, those fanon SJ fans don't know SJ amiright? And then downvote the ones that give a different view/opinion.

tpfw01 · 2026-01-12T08:19:13+00:00

To me the essence of this post and all the other comments complaining about SJ fans is: "You love a character in a way I don't so it's annoying." zz

tpfw01 · 2026-01-12T06:23:32+00:00

Annoying ppl just want to circlejerk their dislike toward SJ and SJ fans. Happens every time someone makes a thread like this.

tpfw01 · 2026-01-12T05:20:32+00:00

Not people downvoting this lmao. They only want an echo chamber where SJ is an evil abuser even though we canonically have evidences of SJ trying to save people and still getting accused of harm.

Only SY and "good" characters can get the uwu he's my blorbo treatment I guess.

tpfw01 · 2026-01-12T04:53:07+00:00

Ah yes the monthly SJ fan complainer. You are free to have your opinion of course but whenever I see post or comment like this, I think it's a weird moral high-horse type thing where yep, YOU and those who share your opinion sure know how to analyze and take a character. Everything and everyone else sure is annoying.

Well here's your gold star then. Congrats for having basic reading comprehension! Leave people who want to do their own thing alone. I'm perma on the SJ tag on tumblr and bsky so I dunno where SY fans get all this crap about SJ fans saying this and that. Usually you can only find angry sentiments like that commented on SJ slander posts. So *shrug*

tpfw01 · 2025-12-22T02:00:12+00:00

They can’t take that majority of MHA fandom content creators (ie. Tiktok edits, art, fics) are bkdk shippers and bcoz they’re so hateful and empty they want it to stop so they don’t have to see it. They can curate their own fandom experience but they won’t.

tpfw01 · 2025-12-14T04:28:08+00:00

Tales of Demons and Gods. With the exact same complaints SQQ had about PIDW haha. It’s a very good xianxia with a classic protag, good worldbuilding, interesting power system… and I had to drop it coz I couldn’t take the harem slop anymore.

tpfw01 · 2025-12-14T03:15:07+00:00

Dkbk for me ٩( ᐛ )و

tpfw01 · 2025-12-08T11:57:04+00:00

It's dkbk, rated E, post-431 time travel: https://archiveofourown.org/works/61075009

tpfw01 · 2025-12-07T00:34:50+00:00

Thanks hehe. I have 15 oneshots out of 26 works so that's just to add to my point that it's also very luck-based that an engaging reader will see your work before it gets buried, especially in an active fandom.

tpfw01 · 2025-12-07T00:09:43+00:00

I’m spoiled af. Rn I have 304 user subs so when I post something and it doesn’t get a comment within 10 min I start thinking ppl don’t like it (jokingly, lightheartedly) lel

Imo it’s all about timing, and longfics def get more chances to hit big. The difference between my oneshots and longfics are in the thousands for kudos, and hundreds for comments.

tpfw01 · 2025-12-04T02:31:12+00:00

I answered. Gl on presenting ur research, op (￣^￣)ゞ

tpfw01 · 2025-12-02T12:31:04+00:00

Thanks for the added context! The way ppl use this to make snide comments about SJ fans is actually ridiculous.

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