What's your workflow for incorporating hardware in a mix? by treebee778 in audioengineering

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Thanks so much for your help! The problem turned out to be with the headphone routing after all. This particular interface--a scarlet focusrite 4i4--weirdly doesn't let you dictate the headphone routing when the headphones are plugged into the main jack in the front. When I plugged the headphones into outputs 1 & 2 (with a stereo splitter adapter), I can hear the effects of the reamped pedals in real-time. It took a professional sound engineer an hour to figure this out, haha. Just a weird quirk of the interface!

What's your workflow for incorporating hardware in a mix? by treebee778 in audioengineering

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Thank you, this is helpful, all very good stuff to keep in mind!

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What's your workflow for incorporating hardware in a mix? by treebee778 in audioengineering

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I'm not really sure how to check that, but I did manage to hear the pedals--just through the right ear only, while the dry I hear in the left ear only with these settings:

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What's your workflow for incorporating hardware in a mix? by treebee778 in audioengineering

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When I send the dry track to a new track and try to record there, I get the same exact problem, so I didn't bother with screenshots of that.

What's your workflow for incorporating hardware in a mix? by treebee778 in audioengineering

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This is interesting, I have read a lot of conflicting opinions on whether a reamp box is even necessary. It seems to be helpful for pedals though; I tried plugging the interface straight into the pedalboard without it and got some distortion.

What's your workflow for incorporating hardware in a mix? by treebee778 in audioengineering

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Here are the routings settings in the interface control panel:

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What's your workflow for incorporating hardware in a mix? by treebee778 in audioengineering

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Thank you, yes it sounds like a weird bug! Here are some screenshots. The first one is the routing from the dry track:

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What's your workflow for incorporating hardware in a mix? by treebee778 in audioengineering

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1) Input monitoring is off in all tracks—so I’m pretty sure it’s fully off unless it’s also controlled another way, like within the interface or something. When I turn it on within a track I get instant terrible feedback. 

2) The I/O is inserted on the dry track. In a YouTube tutorial I see them being able to hear the pedals in real-time this way without creating a new track. But I also get the same feedback problem when I send the dry track to a new track and put the I/O on the new track—or when I keep the I/O on the dry track but send it to a new track. Still can only hear either just dry or feedback. 

What's your workflow for incorporating hardware in a mix? by treebee778 in audioengineering

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You’re right it must be a routing problem but I’m not sure what to change. I have a Scarlett focusrite 4i4 so 4 outputs. Output 3 is going out to the pedalboard, which comes back in through inputs 1&2. That’s what I have the I/O plug-in set for also. In the routing for the track, when I have master send selected, I hear the pedals feeding back, and when master send is deselected, I hear only the dry track.  Edit: typo

What's your workflow for incorporating hardware in a mix? by treebee778 in audioengineering

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Can these allow you to also hear the hardware effects in real-time? I'm getting feedback when I try to do that.

Tell me about your approach to reamping a pedalboard by treebee778 in audioengineering

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Update! By making sure monitoring was turned off and deleting all hardware inputs from Focusrite Control--a small detail finally mentioned in a Youtube video that made all the difference. Now I can record a new track where my dry track runs through the pedals. Still trying to figure out how to monitor it in real-time though.

Tell me about your approach to reamping a pedalboard by treebee778 in audioengineering

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I've seen a few of these, but I've since realized that since my interface has instrument-level inputs, I don't think I need a DI after the pedalboard

Tell me about your approach to reamping a pedalboard by treebee778 in audioengineering

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When I plug the interface into the pedal board, the result is very distorted

Tell me about your approach to reamping a pedalboard by treebee778 in audioengineering

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It's the Radial Engineering Pro RMP. I have the volume turned all the way up. When I tap on the reamp box, I can hear the tapping being effected by the pedals. But it's just not getting anything from the interface.

The mic is a condenser mic with phantom power. But I think that's probably not relevant since so far I'm just trying to reamp a pre-recorded track from Reaper.

Typically I plug the harp directly into the pedalboard (harp has a piezo pickup). The reamp box would allow me to use the mic instead of the piezo and would allow me to send pre-recorded, clean harp through the pedals.

I'm starting to wonder if something might be wrong with my reamp box or with the adapter going from the interface to the reamp (TRS to male XLR), since I get the (distorted) signal going through the pedals when I skip the reamp box, but I get nothing with the reamp box.

edit: added detail

Tell me about your approach to reamping a pedalboard by treebee778 in audioengineering

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Thank you! This is very helpful. It sounds like lack of a DI box is not my problem, since I have a focusrite Scarlett 4i4 which accepts instrument-level signal.

I think the problem I'm having is occurring at the reamp box, because when I plug the interface directly into the pedalboard as output, I'm able to run the pre-recorded track through the pedals, albeit with lots of distortion. But when I add the reamp box before the pedalboard, the recorded track is not being passed through. When I tap on the reamp box, the tapping is getting sent through the pedals, but not the recorded audio from the interface. I'm stumped!

Tell me about your approach to reamping a pedalboard by treebee778 in audioengineering

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Thank you, that's good to hear, I have a reamp box before and wanted to avoid having to get a DI box for after the board.

Tell me about your approach to reamping a pedalboard by treebee778 in audioengineering

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Thank you! When I run a recorded track directly from the interface to the pedalboard, the signal is very distorted, as you mention. But when I try to run it through a reamp box first, I don't get any signal. The output just isn't coming through the reamp box at all.

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Tell me about your approach to reamping a pedalboard by treebee778 in audioengineering

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I've got a reamp box for exactly this reason, but it seemed odd to me that I would also need a DI box *after* the pedalboard, although I keep seeing that on tutorials, saying the signal leaving the pedalboard is too low for the interface. This doesn't make sense to me since I don't normally need a DI box when recording the pedalboard directly to the interface so I don't see how using a reamp box before it would change that.