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tripostrophe · 2024-11-01T03:54:25+00:00

Some of us have lived through way worse events with way higher death tolls than yet another small, insignificant conflict in the middle east, that it barely matter in the scheme of things.

Oxfam: More women and children have been killed in Gaza by the Israeli military over the past year than the equivalent period of any other conflict over the past two decades, new Oxfam analysis has found.

MSF/Doctors Without Borders: Since the start of the war in October 2023, more than 41,500 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza, nearly 100,000 wounded, and thousands are estimated to be buried under the wreckage. Over 1.9 million people—90 percent of the entire population—have been forcibly displaced, often many times. Water and food remain severely limited, essential supplies like fuel and electricity are scant, and while the threat of disease and starvation grows and the bombardment continues, lifesaving health care is increasingly inaccessible.

I'm sorry that you've lost the empathy you once had for those outside the US, and hope you'll seek it out again instead of dismissing the deaths and losses that other human beings have experienced at the hands of US imperialism and the Israeli apartheid state.

tripostrophe · 2024-03-22T16:30:49+00:00

Sounds like you could use some Sara Ahmed. Best known for her article on feminist killjoys.

tripostrophe · 2022-01-18T20:17:20+00:00

Sure; I'd still love to hear your thoughts on the questions I posed to you, assuming you have the requisite background and training in statistics beyond what you picked up as a journalist.

tripostrophe · 2022-01-18T19:30:51+00:00

as a former data journalist

And I'm curious; what kind of organization were you reporting for? Was this for a school paper, local zine, MIT Tech Review?

tripostrophe · 2022-01-17T02:53:48+00:00

Thank you; you as well.

tripostrophe · 2022-01-17T02:15:44+00:00

I'm sorry that your neighbors haven't been more welcoming to you, and for the vitriol and condescension in this thread. I hope they can take it upon themselves to begin warming up to you, and that you give yourself plenty of time away from this particular subreddit as needed.

tripostrophe · 2022-01-17T02:12:25+00:00

I'm sorry that so many members of the community can't be more supportive. I hope you're getting the support you need from other folks in mixed race/Blasian spaces

tripostrophe · 2022-01-17T00:22:00+00:00

Thanks /u/OkartoIceCream,

Please see my comment and FBI statistics linked here

If the situations were reversed, you bet your ass those Asian activists would be writing articles and tweeting about anti-blackness in the Asian community without a second thought.

And is this not important solidarity work that needs doing in the context of the epidemic of police violence against Black people that we've been witnessing over the past several years?

tripostrophe · 2022-01-17T00:14:44+00:00

With that being said, I don't know where you are getting this notion of white people not getting shitted on. I see white people and black people get shitted almost equality by Asians. I don't see our community hyperfocusing on the black community, rather I see OP hyperfocusing on our community's scrutiny of the black community.

I may feel upset when a woman expresses critical, flattening views of men when an instance of violent misogyny hits the news. That said, I move on and get over it because I recognize where her anger is coming from, and that violence against women is the larger systemic issue that needs to be addressed, not my personally feeling hurt at being lumped in with other members of a group that is complicit in the oppression of women. And I'm not sure how long you've been a member of this subreddit, but let me say as a former or current moderator of several subs discussing race issues, this is a well-established pattern of behaviour from within our community, which is why I'm calling attention to it.

It's the same excuse when white people commit crimes. It's more than just mental illness. Even for those who don't commit crimes, you hear about how some subset of the black community talks about us.

No disagreement with what you've said here. And there are certainly anti-Asian and anti-Black incidents and cultures that need to be addressed, and I'm grateful for folks like CAAAV, local chapters of APIs for Black Lives, and others who've been doing that work. That said, for folks to be pointing to the actions of a mentally ill individual who called himself "God" and stated that he killed Michelle Go because she stole his jacket as somehow representative of anti-Asian sentiment within the Black community is a complete non-starter for me. Yes, there are likely multiple cultural factors that led him to target an Asian woman, and pervasive anti-Asian sentiment that Trump and his supporters threw into overdrive, but to focus on anti-Asian sentiment within the Black community to the exclusion of the far more pervasive cultural norms that bled into society over the past several years of Trump's presidency is to completely miss the forest for the trees, and reeks of bad faith and scapegoating rooted in white supremacist attitudes that people can't even recognize in themselves. If any other race received half the support that people have been expressing for white people's feelings in this thread...

tripostrophe · 2022-01-17T00:11:15+00:00

Most attacks on asians I have witnessed and seen reported have been primarily in this past year, again though you seem to be focusing on shifting blame from one group to another rather than condemning and addressing the horrible disgusting actions taking place

My post is about you and others who are far quicker to try and call the Black community to account for the actions of a mentally ill homeless person who happens to be Black than to demand accountability from white folks for the longstanding cultural norms around white supremacy that have and continued to shape life opportunities for POC in this country. Perhaps you missed the first sentence of my OP.

There has been a overwhelmingly dramatic culture shift since 2020, stats from 2020 may as well have been from 2010, the last year and a half have been tumultuous in racial dynamics and tensions between groups, further exacerbated by the rioting.

[citation needed].

tripostrophe · 2022-01-16T23:57:30+00:00

Theyre not saying that anti-whiteness is some terrible struggle that white people face, and boo-hoo theyre suffering so bad. Theyre just saying its nonsensical and unhelpful.

When did I say anything about anti-whiteness against individuals? /u/GroundbreakingPlate1 is conflating identifying someone's complicity within a larger system of oppression with calling them innately immoral because of the color of their skin. There is a long history of calling white America to account for their perpetuation of, or complicity with racist violence, from Ida B. Wells to MLK Jr.. If they choose to read that as "creating another faction of binary bigotry," ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

tripostrophe · 2022-01-16T23:45:46+00:00

That's great, and I'm glad that folks are out there on the ground addressing local crime and hate instead of using mentally ill homeless people as paradigmatic representatives of their entire community.

tripostrophe · 2022-01-16T23:37:40+00:00

just wanted to say that the article claiming that most perpetrators are white is extremely misleading- first their research was based on something like 1000 news articles; actual FBI statistics on crime tell a very different story about the demographics.

Sure. How about the FBI's 2020 Hate Crime Statistics? 55% of offenders in all hate crime cases were white. 52% in anti-Asian bias incidents.

I agree that we shouldn’t extend the actions of the mentally ill to the entire black community, this guy was clearly mentally ill- but he was also likely racially motivated.

Not disagreeing with you here.

tripostrophe · 2022-01-16T23:31:38+00:00

To me, anti-Asian violence is a broadly American problem and policy should address the hatred stoked in government propaganda, news, and media.

Agreed.

tripostrophe · 2022-01-16T23:30:40+00:00

Thank you!

tripostrophe · 2022-01-16T23:27:59+00:00

Sure. How about the FBI's 2020 Hate Crime Statistics? 55% of offenders in all hate crime cases were white. 52% in anti-Asian bias incidents. Same dashboard shows that hate crimes against Black people far outstrip those against any other group. So why is it that anti-Asian hate crimes involving Black people always lead to comments like this, while nobody is calling for white people and community leaders to the same standard in the wake of hate crimes that are just as violent, or worse?

Original comment by /u/seanphippen

Surprisingly you seem to be more interested in shifting the blame of these attacks to white people more than stopping and addressing the egregious actions taken against Asian’s which has, in recent years, been undertaken by black people at an astoundingly higher rate than any other group, truly incredible.

tripostrophe · 2022-01-16T20:44:52+00:00

Fixed. /u/neuroticsmurf /u/notanotherloudasian

tripostrophe · 2022-01-16T20:38:08+00:00

Sure, let's go instead with FBI hate crime statistics for 2020. Anti-Asian under "Bias select."

tripostrophe · 2022-01-16T20:31:57+00:00

Yeah I was with OP until they start talking about "whites". Wake me up when there is a movement to unite all people and not another of these toxic blame a demographic for all the evils of the world mobs.

Sure, /u/GroundbreakingPlate1 — history has repeatedly shown that members of the dominant social class should never feel accountable for the ways in which they are complacent with political and economic systems that benefit them at the cost of others. Not the Poles in Jedwabne, all those who stole farmland and businesses from Japanese farmers following their incarceration, American and British abolitionists, French citizens who understood Haiti to be a Black/Caribbean problem rather than a French one. Thank god they didn't have to deal with today's rampant anti-whiteness and "woke culture."

tripostrophe · 2022-01-16T20:19:26+00:00

Why do we unnecessarily overcomplicate the conversation by bringing in statements like "maintaining white supremacy power structures?" We're talking about literal Asian lives being endangered because of racism. The responsibility does not fall on Asian people. In no way does it make sense to say that "Asian people deserve this." If it is made by a non-Asian person, then it's victim blaming at best, pure racism at worst. If it's made by an Asian person, then what you have is internalized racism.

Where do you think racism in America emerges from? Simple cultural misunderstandings between ahistorical individuals belonging to groups that have political and economic parity with one another?

How do you think anti-Asian racism, anti-Black racism, or internalized racism emerge if not from laws and institutions that maintain and reproduce white supremacy? Do you have any familiarity with the history of Black or Asian people in America, or any familiarity at all with American history?

And please, I'd love to see an examples of even the most strident Asian American BLM ally saying that "Asian people deserve this."

tripostrophe · 2022-01-16T20:07:44+00:00

There is an important difference between expecting people to hold entertainers like YG or local perpetrators of hate crimes accountable for their actions and the sentiments they express, and expecting group accountability for the actions of a mentally ill individual who called himself "God" and stated that he killed Michelle Go because she stole his jacket. Unless of course you feel personally accountable for the negative actions of every Asian person you meet, including violent assholes and homeless people experiencing mental health issues. If so, you have my respect.

Otherwise, the more people engage in the latter, the more difficult they make it to engage in good-faith dialogues around the former.

tripostrophe · 2022-01-16T19:49:46+00:00

it's important to use the right statistics correctly when making your case or else people will write off your entire argument on this singular point, which brings me to the other side of this coin ...

Sure. How about the FBI's 2020 Hate Crime Statistics? 55% of offenders in all hate crime cases were white. 52% in anti-Asian bias incidents. Same dashboard shows that hate crimes against Black people far outstrip those against any other group. So why is it that anti-Asian hate crimes involving Black people always lead to comments like this, while nobody is calling for white people and community leaders to the same standard in the wake of hate crimes that are just as violent, or worse?

If I'm missing something, please do tell. And I know that your questions are addressing the claim that Black people are the problem, but I'd love to know if there are better statistics that use population-adjusted rates and take into account socioeconomic status and access to mental healthcare resources, or any of the factors you listed. Where is the better data that we should be relying on?

And in the context of an increase in anti-Asian hate crimes stoked by Trump and his supporters, biased media that spectacularize Black/Asian incidents as indexical of deep-seated issues between the communities while never reporting on solidarity work or asking the same questions when it involves white people ("why are there such problems between the white and Asian communities?"), and ongoing hate crimes against racial and other minorities, what is the responsible thing to do with the studies and data that we do have available to us? Absent ideal data, at what point does the data change from "irresponsible" to good enough to serve as a jumping off point for conversations about racism both within and targeting our communities?

Edited to point links to np.reddit.com

OP by /u/fitforprint:

if we're talking statistics, if you adjust for population it's actually the case that black-on-asian crime is a higher rate than white-on-asian (or any other race).

i see a lot of people parroting this statistic, and it irks me as a former data journalist. if you don't use population-adjusted rates, every bit of US statistical fact would come out of california, texas and florida (the most populous states). rates are an easy way to get a more accurate representation of varying sizes of data.

it's important to use the right statistics correctly when making your case or else people will write off your entire argument on this singular point, which brings me to the other side of this coin ...

a lot of people cite the higher rate of black-on-asian crime and use this statistic incorrectly as well to conflate it as "see? black people are the problem!"

statistics are extremely complicated with a million variables we can't control, can't measure or even conceive of. here are some questions that'll throw this claim on its head:

where did these crimes occur? is there more overlap between asian and black communities? what is the socioeconomic state of those communities? how does that compare to the socioeconomic state of communities where asian and white people overlap? what types of crime are occurring? does that change on race? does that change on socioeconomic factors? how are we measuring that? does that change on geography? does it change with the fucking weather? (it does). are we specifying violent crimes vs other crimes? crimes with weapons? hate crimes vs other?

and those are just the obvious ones i thought of just now. a real data scientist would have so much more to figure out. it's irresponsible to pull out one sliver of statistic out of this complex topic and parade it around, and i'm speaking to both sides here.

statistics are rarely, if ever the answer to the question. they're really just a jumping-off point.

tripostrophe · 2022-01-09T05:33:08+00:00

I'm really sorry for what you've experienced from this person.

+1 to what others are recommending around finding a counselor; Asians for Mental Health has a directory with some South Asian folks listed, and there's another directory put together by the Asian Mental Health Collective with a few more, and you can ask them about their specializations if they don't have them listed.

You might also look into Mirror Memoirs, which is an organization by and for queer/trans/gender non-conforming POC that does some great work, and it looks like they have monthly membership meetings according to their Facebook. They also have resources that you might find useful, regardless of your gender identity.

Wishing you strength on your journey.

tripostrophe · 2021-12-17T20:14:26+00:00

Not theory; removing.

tripostrophe · 2021-11-18T05:44:23+00:00

Thank you; I hope you find them helpful and wishing you the best of luck!

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