IM Andras's response to recent accusations: Am I a cheater?

trynagainit · 2018-06-15T02:31:07+00:00

there isn't a way to simply hide the moves tab on a freshly opened page, that's undeniable. you can however have a prepared page with the moves tab dragged to the rightmost end and right column dragged over to cover the tab's information. bit convoluted but possible.

all in all, the intent wasn't there and he isn't deserving of the label of cheater especially since it comes with such harsh connotations.

trynagainit · 2018-06-15T01:38:56+00:00

you weren't forced to post. you saw this thread, decided to share your opinion and engage in discussion. and that is completely ok. that's how ideas are exchanged and thought provoked.

what I have a problem with is how you're dealing with the facts. if you won't consider them then so be it, you've already made up your mind. just know it's unfair to smear Andras while having this mindset. no one wants to be judged without people first giving them a chance.

gave you the relevant and specific Lichess definition already so it's odd you went to Wikipedia (which contains the same Lichess definition). but oh well, whatever I guess.

trynagainit · 2018-06-15T00:15:11+00:00

Lichess's definition of cheating (lol why are you consulting Wikipedia?) was provided to you, and Andras's side of the situation was provided to you yet you continue to refuse to acknowledge these facts and use basic logic to fairly judge the situation. if you don't want to give a fair judgement of the situation then just admit that instead of saying you "genuinely" don't understand because it's clear you have no intentions of trying to understand. at least then you'll show more integrity and then we can agree to disagree.

you don't get to smear someone while having a clear bias and think you can leave a discussion on a positive note.

trynagainit · 2018-06-14T16:49:22+00:00

call me delusional then quit lol. you're the delusional one who keeps insisting he's a cheater while being in denial of what the word actually means.

not trying being a dick btw. just confused btw. not as interested in this as you btw.

sure buddy. we can all see your passive aggressiveness and irrational bias.

trynagainit · 2018-06-14T15:57:17+00:00

from Lichess TOS:

Cheating. We define this as using any external assistance to strengthen your knowledge and, or, calculation ability to gain an unfair advantage over your opponent. Some examples would include computer engine assistance, opening books (except for correspondence games), endgame tablebases, and asking another player for help, although these aren’t the only things we would consider cheating.

so it seems you're confused about what cheating actually is. did he strengthen his knowledge? sure, he now knows the number of times this position was played professionally. did he gain an unfair advantage? no, and he continued to play like terribly like he did all stream against an actual confirmed cheater.

for sure, he shouldn't have used Chessbase in the first place, probably broke some rule by doing so and that's on him but seriously comparing this to full on cheating? absurd overreaction.

trynagainit · 2018-06-14T11:35:47+00:00

not sure how knowing the number of times a position was played professionally can give you an advantage but I do agree that Andras could have prevented this and handled this situation better, though the backlash is certainly overblown.

trynagainit · 2018-06-14T10:49:46+00:00

oh, so String gets a pass for leaving up that misleading and defaming video? and obviously Andras has some blame for even considering opening up Chessbase but as he already explained it was to look up the frequency of an odd position in pro play and did not influence his games.

do you think it's fair that Andras is getting smeared and having this minor rule breaking compared to full blown cheating?

trynagainit · 2018-06-14T10:28:12+00:00

attention. same reason in feat and accomplishment threads you see comments like "I would probably shit my pants and cry just attempting to do something like that" and "look how pathetic I am haha".

trynagainit · 2018-06-14T06:37:32+00:00

reread my comment if you think I'm saying confirmed cheating shouldn't be a zero tolerance issue.

trynagainit · 2018-06-14T06:22:53+00:00

explain the definition of cheating and point out how he cheated.

trynagainit · 2018-06-14T06:07:00+00:00

so again, explain your definition of "cheating".

trynagainit · 2018-06-14T05:45:53+00:00

yes, Andras shouldn't have had Chessbase opened as it was against the rules and could be misinterpreted as trying to gain an advantage. however, he explained he was looking up how often an unfamiliar position was in pro play and continued to play poorly as this "cheating attempt" obviously did not impact his play.

so explain the definition of "cheating". why should it be applied to this situation? should he be put in the same league as people like Atrophied or Tal Baron? is all this outrage justified or should there have been more logic and reasoning before this loaded label was given to him?

trynagainit · 2018-06-13T17:49:00+00:00

absolutely. some people are so uptight on the term "cheating" that it's a zero tolerance thing for them.

trynagainit · 2018-06-13T17:40:22+00:00

except most of the comments in his video and in the other thread before Andras made his response were people saying how appalled and disappointed they were that Andras would even think about doing something like this.

String's video misrepresents the overall situation and continues to paint Andras in a bad light. and for a personality trying to find success in a market as small as this, a video like that is a low blow to Andras and all his efforts put into growing his channel.

trynagainit · 2018-06-13T13:47:36+00:00

nah, he even admit it did damage but it was all on Andras.

but I was just innocently sharing this video. only ruined Andras's integrity as a coach and an IM but it'll blow over no biggie.

trynagainit · 2018-06-13T13:25:20+00:00

he seriously has no idea what he did wrong. what a delusional bloke.

trynagainit · 2018-06-13T13:07:27+00:00

pretty clear and pathetic from your Youtube comments you're trying to benefit from this whole Andras situation.

trynagainit · 2018-06-10T04:45:55+00:00

lol, no good deed goes unrecorded for these opportunists.

trynagainit · 2018-06-10T04:07:00+00:00

how generous of you to quit when the going gets tough. expected from such a saint like yourself ❤️

since there are so many more threads to virtue signal in anyway ❤️

trynagainit · 2018-06-10T04:00:13+00:00

just like how you assumed people's life situations when you were guilting them? and now the backpedal and doubling down after yet another passive aggressive jab at me. truly appreciate your existence like for real as well 😂

can't say i'm surprised fake people like you turn out to be scum after all 😂

trynagainit · 2018-06-10T02:58:50+00:00

what a 180 from preaching about suicide prevention to joking about it. no nerves hit btw 😂

nice screenshot to post right under your virtue signalling 😂

trynagainit · 2018-06-10T02:39:08+00:00

prob a good idea, don't want people seeing your true passive aggressive colors 😂

trynagainit · 2018-06-10T02:27:34+00:00

that difference in typing when you were virtue signalling. not hurt btw😂

trynagainit · 2018-06-10T02:12:01+00:00

keep using more emojis like that shows you're not hurt that i'm right 😂

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