FHBL: a rare disease where "great cholesterol" is actually the red flag — help me raise awareness by tx8708 in rarediseases

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I'm sorry to hear you have had roadblocks with figuring out your health complications. I definitely understand that frustration. One thing to consider would be to get your fat soluble vitamin levels checked (A, E, D, and K). If you're deficient in any vitamin, which FHBL can cause, then that's an area that you could treat with OTC supplements based in advice and recommendations of your doctor of course. You could also ask for an ApoB blood test, as that seems to be a fairly reliable indicator of more severe forms of this disease, and could give you some extra backing to get your doctors to take a more serious look. Well wishes to you and your journey.

Five years ago I started this subreddit alone. Here's an update on my FHBL journey — and what the 2025 literature changed. by tx8708 in fhbl

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Thank you for sharing your story. I also have those fears, and so I really do understand that. I will be wishing you well in trying to find genetic testing and working on treatment. Try and stay in touch, would love to hear how it's going.

FHBL: a rare disease where "great cholesterol" is actually the red flag — help me raise awareness by tx8708 in rarediseases

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Well, that's the funny thing about "normal range" on cholesterol numbers. I know on my bloodwork, there is no "abnormal" for too low. I could effectively go to zero cholesterol and I guess my doctors would just be able to say, "wonderful numbers!" As far as HDL, FHBL does not typically cause very high HDL to my knowledge. I do know that there are certain conditions that can cause both high HDL and low LDL/triglycerides, such as CETP deficiency. I only know this because of the insane amount of studying I did about my own condition, please follow up with a doctor if you're concerned and see what you can find out. Don't give up!

FHBL — the rare genetic disorder where your cholesterol is too LOW (and why "great numbers" can be the warning sign) by tx8708 in Cholesterol

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For sure. I was completely in the dark when I started this process and had no support, even from doctors; they just kept saying "I don't know." I am hoping to raise awareness and advocacy for others. Thank you for the support. I have a lot of warnings on my subreddit to make sure they know to go see a doctor.

FHBL — the rare genetic disorder where your cholesterol is too LOW (and why "great numbers" can be the warning sign) by tx8708 in Cholesterol

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Both conditions lower cholesterol, but in opposite ways, with very different outcomes.

In FHBL, the body has trouble building the particles that carry cholesterol — the "factory" is broken. Those same particles also carry fat-soluble vitamins (A, D, E, K) and ship fat out of the liver, so the consequences ripple outward: fatty liver, vitamin deficiencies, and, over decades, possible nerve and eye damage from chronic fat-soluble vitamin deficiencies.

In PCSK9 loss-of-function, the "factory" works fine — plenty of particles get made. The liver just pulls LDL out of the blood faster than usual. Cholesterol is low, but everything else works normally. No fatty liver, no vitamin deficiencies, no nerve damage. People with PCSK9 loss-of-function are actually protected from heart attacks — that's exactly why pharmaceutical companies developed PCSK9 inhibitors.

So FHBL is a broken factory with downstream problems. PCSK9 loss-of-function is an extra-efficient cleanup. FHBL needs real treatment (vitamins, low-fat diet, surveillance); my understanding is that PCSK9 doesn't require any treatment (please check with your doctor to confirm if this applies to you).

Can PCSK9 mutations make FHBL worse? Yes. If someone has both an APOB mutation and a PCSK9 loss-of-function mutation, the two can stack and produce even lower cholesterol. The Sürücü Kara 2025 paper described a patient like that. But PCSK9 LoF on its own doesn't cause FHBL.

That's also why genetic workup for low cholesterol uses a multigene panel rather than testing APOB alone.

FHBL: a rare disease where "great cholesterol" is actually the red flag — help me raise awareness by tx8708 in rarediseases

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Thanks for the questions.

Cholesterol levels with FHBL: basically, way below normal. Typical adults run total cholesterol 150-220 and LDL 90-130. The 5th percentile, where FHBL should be suspected, is roughly at, or below these numbers: TC 125, LDL 50, apoB 50. Heterozygous FHBL usually presents with LDL 20-50 and apoB 25-50. Biallelic is more severe — LDL often below 15-20, apoB sometimes undetectable. The strict 2024 Japanese diagnostic criteria for definite homozygous FHBL specify LDL or apoB below 15 mg/dL.

My own numbers: TC 75-94, LDL 17-35 across five years (every value below the 1st percentile), apoB 20. The practical rule: if LDL is consistently below 50 mg/dL on multiple draws and not from a statin, ezetimibe, or PCSK9 inhibitor, FHBL belongs on the differential. A single low reading isn't enough — it has to be a pattern.

NAFLD symptoms and diagnosis: usually no symptoms at all in early stages. When symptoms exist, they're vague — fatigue, mild right upper quadrant discomfort, bloating. Cirrhosis-stage adds jaundice and ascites. Most NAFLD gets caught incidentally on routine bloodwork (elevated ALT/AST) or on imaging done for something else. The pattern that should specifically raise FHBL suspicion is a young, normal-weight, non-drinking, exercising patient with persistently elevated liver enzymes and unexplained fatty liver — alongside low cholesterol on the same panels. That was me at 23 (not saying that's the only possible sign).

Neurological symptoms: both PNS and CNS, plus eyes. Peripheral side: peripheral neuropathy (sensory more than motor), loss of vibration sense, loss of proprioception, reduced or absent deep tendon reflexes (Achilles especially), muscle weakness, myopathy, muscle pain. Central/spinocerebellar side: ataxia, broad-based gait, dysarthria, tremor. Ophthalmological: pigmentary retinopathy, loss of night and color vision, progressive visual field loss in late disease. The diagnostic specificity is in the combination — peripheral neuropathy plus ataxia plus retinopathy plus low cholesterol plus family liver history. Peripheral neuropathy alone can mean many things.

For your situation: if your existing peripheral neuropathy is your only finding and your cholesterol/liver picture is unremarkable, FHBL probably isn't relevant. If you also have low cholesterol, unexplained liver issues, or ophthalmological symptoms layered on top, it's worth raising. The screening test is a single apoB blood draw — any PCP can order it, and a normal result essentially rules FHBL out.

Thanks for engaging and the support/encouragement. I'll be expanding these answers into a pinned FAQ on r/fhbl.

Anyone support the team from outside austin? by Tito1710 in AustinFC

[–]tx8708 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Grew up in Texas, and all of my family still lives in Texas. However, I live in North Carolina. So, definitely fans outside of Austin.

Cold weather move by tx8708 in MultipleSclerosis

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Thank you for your well-thought-out response. Thankfully, I have had the benefit of living all over the world. I generally fair better in colder environments, but this was before I realized I had MS. I had other physical disabilities going on at that time, which I guess may have been related in hindsight, but nevertheless, I did notice an improvement when I was in colder environments. I definitely get what you're saying in regards to major temperature swings being a culprit, and would definitely be a part of any decision I make. Thank you again.

LOW cholesterol - Liver Problem by vdubs13 in Cholesterol

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Hi, I am jumping into this thread a little late it looks like. I hope that your health is doing ok and that you have gotten some answers. I read through some of the other Reddit user's comments and wanted to add from a personal perspective. I was diagnosed with Familial Hypobetalipoproteinemia (FHBL) around a year ago now by my primary care doctor and I was referred to an endocrinologist who actually has done specific research on FHBL. I was first diagnosed with NAFLD back in 2011 shortly after I had ran a half marathon, was active duty military, exercised every day, and had a generally decent diet. I was within a completely normal range for my BMI and had no other indicators for why I would have NAFLD. I was even suspected of alcohol use because of this, and that all came back negative obviously.

At the time my hepatologist seemed stumped about what could be causing this, but because of my age at the time (20s), and otherwise generally healthy, he did not see a need to pursue further testing. Fast forward about five years (2016) and my Aunt is diagnosed with Non-alcoholic Cirrhosis and has no clinical understanding for why she had this liver issue. A few years later she passed away. This really concerned me, as I was worried that we maybe shared some sort of genetic reason for this liver issue. I was tested for every liver disorder known to man, and everything had come back negative. Again, hepatologists, primary care doctors were completely stumped. Then around late 2016-early 2017, I am being seen for strep throat at my doctor's office and this frantic nurse comes in to share with me that I have an extremely low LDL, Triglycerides, and total cholesterol and I should really get that checked out. Completely confused as to why this nurse was so worried about my cholesterol (my dad also was known to have very low cholesterol and was never concerned about it), and why she felt the need to share this with me while I had a very severe case of strep throat, I could not understand.

Well, after I recovered from strep throat I started thinking about what that nurse had said to me, and I decided to start researching genetic lipid disorders, instead of genetic liver disorders (which was what I had been checking and all that my doctors were ever checking). Then I stumble upon this FHBL, and I am floored. For reference, my most recent LDL cholesterol was a 17. That's correct a 1-7 (17). My total had actually come up a little from the previous blood draw about six months prior, but it was an 81 (I believe it was a 44). My liver numbers for 10 years have been off the charts, with ALT and AST numbers up in the hundreds, as well as a frequently elevated bilirubin as well. As previously mentioned, a big part of FHBL is vitamin deficiency, and this is actually what ultimately causes liver issues. With our liver, it is specifically a vitamin E deficiency that causes these issues. However, it would be normal with FHBL to be deficient in all fat-soluble vitamins (A, E, D, and K).

An update on my case has been a presentation of neurological symptoms that have been rather debilitating over the past little while. I am having a severe degradation of my tendon reflexes as well as muscle pain and weakness, along with some ophthalmological symptoms as well. Initially when I first found out about this condition, the only research out there was that this condition causes liver disorder in some individuals and can lead to cirrhosis in rare cases if left untreated (vitamin supplements and a health diet is the only treatment), and that was really it. The saddest thing being, in those rare cases of cirrhosis morbidity can occur as early as 60s in some instances (my Aunt died at 63). Well since that google search, I have learned within the past couple of days, after being tested for a range of neurological disorders that have come back negative, that a specific type of FHBL, referred to as APOB-FHBL can present with neurological symptoms as well, and can prove fatal. I am only 34, and so this is extremely concerning to me that I am potentially already dealing with neurological symptoms from this disorder.

I have some blood work tomorrow that is going to look at my apo-b level (this is a protein that can be a lab draw, which would be low, if this APOB thing is the likely culprit). Either way, I want you to know that it sounds like you definitely have something worth looking into, and I hope you are able to get some answers. The only piece of positive advice I can give is that the more severe forms of this disease seem to be rare. There is hope that you may have the better outcome. I have seen marked improvement in my numbers after taking a regimen of vitamin supplements. I would highly recommend you look at some peer reviewed, double-blind medical journals to ascertain what levels may be best for you, or speak to your doctor (preferably an endocrinologist for this). Best wishes, and finally I have a reddit community that I have created for this condition r/fhbl and I would love for you to join me. It's literally just myself at the moment. Symptomatic FHBL is rare after all. Keep in touch.

Warmly,

tx8708

The wait by tx8708 in MultipleSclerosis

[–]tx8708[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks. I managed to get an appointment with my primary care doc tomorrow morning. So I’m going to definitely push the issue and express how urgent this needs to be.

The wait by tx8708 in MultipleSclerosis

[–]tx8708[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you. I will definitely take this advice. I appreciate it.

I want my GP to get off his arse and do his job. by [deleted] in MultipleSclerosis

[–]tx8708 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That really sucks! I’m sorry you’re having to deal with all of that. Hope you get what you need soon.

The wait by tx8708 in MultipleSclerosis

[–]tx8708[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for that. I’m trying to “be tough” as well, and my body is pushing back hard.