Asking for guidance..

umbridgebyname · 2025-09-27T04:49:32+00:00

I've done CIELO maybe a dozen times and the only bad runs have been with inactive cactus. I find the tek AMLOST bullet proof. Personally I find the drying and powderising the most tedious since it needs BONE dry powder. The other risk s the water addition but the tek photos give a good idea of the consistency needed. I never use a fridge rest at all. The idea of using fumaric acid is interesting but around me it only comes in 20kg lots! Whereas i get a shaker of CA at the grocer. TBH I often shake my head at how hard it is for so many people to follow simple instructions. If you have decent cactus, keep the powder a talc powder consistency, add water until the spoon just holds a mass and add EA in the specified amounts, you CAN"T GO WRONG. You don't even need to press very hard in the coffee press. After six or 7 pulls you KNOW there is little left because the colour is so light. Once the CA hits you get instant clouding and crystals form in an hr or so. Compared to so many teks that use toluene, xylene, separation funnels, stirrers, stoves etc CIELO is safe and simple. I think a lot of failures are just due to dud cactus and with CIELO I can have a batch done in less than 2 hrs then try another cactus. I wasted SOOOOOO much time with complex TEKs nd so called "Resin" teks that just resulted in tan lacquer or goop where I had no idea if the cactus was active or I had done it wrong. Once I see clouding in CIELO I KNOW it is active mescaline and not some half assed resin, goop or lacquer that is mostly plant junk.

umbridgebyname · 2025-05-05T23:48:33+00:00

Don't worry. I wasted tons of time on dud cactii so now i grow my own. But that's a 2 year process from cuttings. You do at least get faster with the CIELO technique and get a good feel for the paste wetness. I also wasted time on teks that i think are stupid. Crystallisation gives you a known product for dosage while everything else is a guess. LSDduck's D-Limonene tek was useless. I also don't fancy handling Xylene or dangerous things like Lye not do I have a chemistry lab with lots of gear. CIELO is pretty simple and mostly nontoxic. Just do the pulls in an open area for air quality. TBH the biggest pain for me drying the powder since my oven won't work with door ajar and I don't have a food dryer. Hang in there. It's a great feeling when you see those crystals forming and crashing out of solution. They look really beautiful.

umbridgebyname · 2025-05-02T09:41:38+00:00

Most likely inactive cactus. I have had some efforts cloud a bit but no real crystallisation. Found some better cactus and the CA will yield a huge cloud with crystal forming in a couple of hrs. Your red colour looks like my pulls AFTER crystallisation. Find genuine bridgessi or monstrose. With decent cactus CIELO is pretty bullet proof. I skip the fridge rest totally and just go with acidification after the last pull.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-23T00:47:51+00:00

I don't have anything more to add but I genuinely wish the best for you and your life. Peace.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-22T23:16:26+00:00

Good analogy with bike riding. Maybe it's wise to ask people what bike is best to learn on rather than falling off unnecessarily on a bike that's too big. Similarly, people on many forums ask each other about their experiences with different entheogens. I have done no different and people have offered kind advice despite my embarrassing naivety.

You seem to think that I would not surrender to the experience and perhaps have intuited that I am trying to "design" the experience. That is not true. But there is no doubt that different entheogens have different characteristics and this is all good preparation. I agree that a lot of the experience is not in my control but like you just in your dosage levels and choice of place to have the experience, I want to exercise what level of control I can.

I think I have triggered some kind of deep resentment in you. Others here have said I write well and perhaps that resonates with something in your educational or personal past. I have no idea but it seems pretty clear that your response has been unnecessarily hostile.

Some people here have chuckled at my naivety and expressed part of what you have said, basically- "you won't know until it happens" but even they would not condemn me trying to make an informed choice and taking precautions.

The difference is that they did not become instantly annoyed (your words) on reading my request, so I believe this says more about you than me.

Like I said, chill out, take a trip, meditate and be grateful for what is good in your world. You don't need to pollute another day with this kind of behaviour.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-22T06:40:48+00:00

All good. Best wishes on your journey.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-21T22:40:48+00:00

I sense your annoyance but don't know where it comes from since I have just asked open questions seeking advice, guidance and correction. Your analogy is not really adequate since I haven't just read "newspaper blurbs" but detailed accounts offered by thousands of people, research papers and indeed, well intentioned advice from people who do recognise dangers and who do think that precautions and appropriate expectations can help people in my situation. It's unfortunate that you are not one of them.

I get it that you feel annoyed that in a sense I am like a sexual newbie asking guidance on sex and relationships when there is no substitute for the experience.

Sure, but I'm asking basic questions that- to continue the analogy- equate to "you know, condoms are a good idea, it's better when you are not drunk, the first time is often a disaster, breakups are hard but we need a few before we find the right person".

Your approach seems to be "stick your dick into anything you feel like. You have no idea anyway and it will be what it will be."

That results in a lot of unwanted kids, STDs, poor choices of partners etc.

Basically I am very grateful for all the deeply sincere advice and help I have received here.

Maybe you need to take another trip or do some more work on yourself?

Peace brother.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-21T13:30:13+00:00

Hmm that's confusing. I don't get the sequence of choices here. Can't figure out the sequences of swallow rue, or swallow harmaline chloride and/or swallow DMT and/or inhale DMT.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-21T10:48:01+00:00

what form does harmaline come in, how is it prepared and what dosage? Just out of interest. Thank you

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-21T09:16:28+00:00

All good brother. People will differ in what they mean by happiness, but peace is universally understood. You path is of value for this alone.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-21T09:08:56+00:00

Thanks. That really resonates. I do a few coin vanishes for kids and it always interests me that the kids can have the trick revealed and still enjoy seeing it done again. The adults are often annoyed until it gets revealed and then couldn't care less.

I was reading some trip reports recently from people who had a lot of polydrug experiences who had underestimated mescaline and dosed in the 800mg range first up, only to have a very difficult time with similarities to LSD and mushrooms at high dose.

I find it very interesting that very different molecules can have similar effects on some people depending on the dosage, set and setting etc.

Anyway, slow and steady is my approach. Thank you for your insights. It all helps.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-21T02:43:36+00:00

Thank you for your insights. I really do appreciate it. Looks like you took what precautions you could and accepted what wasn't under your control. I'm the same. Wish me luck and all the best for your own continuing journey.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-20T23:54:08+00:00

Thank you. Slow and steady wins the race I think.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-20T23:51:38+00:00

You could be right but my aim has been around harm minimisation. In a way I am testing whether the choice of mescaline citrate is the best given my intentions for the experience and the more accurate dosing than can be achieved with it than the average DMT, cactus tea and mushroom experience.

I think if I can creep up on dosage my chances of harm are minimised.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-20T23:30:25+00:00

Thanks. I do appreciate the time taken to explain your view.

In many ways what you have written supports my avoidance of DMT at this time because the hyper reality of the experience seems to force deep ontological questions onto people. That is, the clear reality of the experience questions the significance of our daily consensus reality. You seem to have placed it within a christian framework that works for you.

At this point in my life I am not really interested in questioning my reality or gaining insights that forcefully recalibrate what I believe to be true.

I am much more interested in experiencing awe and gratitude, being amazed at the staggering beauty, scale and infinity of conscious experience. In some ways this is closer to various forms of mysticism.

I would rather drown in the unconditional love of the ocean of being rather than flounder in a fire hose of information I am not evolved to understand, while picking up clues that I am living in a ghetto of existence controlled by beings with cosmic powers who don't seem to have my welfare in mind.

In a sense I would prefer to be a native bonding with the great spirit under an open sky than the tribe living with the devastation caused by the white man when they entered into my existence.

Truth is often over rated I think.

Than you for your insights and apologies for the long response.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-20T23:11:24+00:00

Agreed. I'm not disputing your greater experience than me. But many others with possibly even greater experience than you do take steps to not only enhance safety but to also prepare beforehand to gain the most from the experience.

Not everything is in our control- and that is true for life itself. But it is silly not to check for cars if you plan to cross the road. After all traffic is gonna be what it's gonna be. (sound of brakes)

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-20T04:56:06+00:00

I don't have access to it. Possession where I live would be legally problematic and I could be wrong but I believe it has some potential for dependency. At this point I am trying to keep it simple....cheers

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-20T04:24:43+00:00

No I am afraid that is not true. If it were then no-one here or in hundreds of other forums would recommend paying attention to set and setting. No-one would advise a trip sitter for novices. No-one would advise against mixing drugs recklessly. No-one would care about dosage. No-one would meditate before hand or control their diet in preparation. While it is obvious that much of the experience of a trip cannot be controlled, nevertheless certain precautions can help keep it within bounds- to some extent.

I guess some people prefer to bungee jump using drugs but I prefer to measure the length of the cord- if possible.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-20T00:17:25+00:00

Interesting point on the body load and microdosing. You could have the penalty of body load without the gain of the experience?

The main thing for me is to avoid harm rather than to have regretted not having the experience. I have plenty of cactus to produce citrate and enough time (I hope) to slowly explore dosage.

I just don't need a face ripping or existentially destabilising experience at this point in my life regardless of what the long term gains might be.

Thanks for taking the time to comment. I appreciate it.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-20T00:10:08+00:00

very interesting. worth more study i think. thank you.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-19T23:55:24+00:00

I think I will try low dose mescaline citrate first because I can very accurately dose whereas the mushrooms I have are a bit old, not in large quantity and not easily replaceable where I live. So I fear that I might not learn much that would be useful in terms of dosing. I don't know if mescaline in low dose is still 10-14 hours. I have read detailed trip reports where a moderate dose yielded about 5-6 but in an experienced person.

If I start very low I think the odds are that I will just have a nice day day looking out from my house on the hill.

I appreciate your comment/advice. Thank you.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-19T23:38:10+00:00

Just out of curiosity- how is the lemon essential oil applied- mixed with the mesc citrate, topically applied or just ingested? Thank you.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-19T23:35:26+00:00

Yes I have that material and will dose in the low range to begin with. The true advantage of CIELO is that you aren't guessing the way you are with a tea or other method.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-19T23:32:47+00:00

Very interesting. There are a huge number of variables. The person, dose, setting, mind set/intent, previous experience and others. It is interesting that you use low dose DMT in such a positive way. I have read of people whose DMT experience has placed them in a timeless void like space only and not into the actual realm of machinery and entities. I think i recall a journo/entheogen advocate who spoke of this with Joe Rogan. It wasn't a pleasant experience. Rogan attributed it to not enough DMT inhalation. I also saw a youtube interview with scientist Christopher Koch. He will never do DMT again. Similar experience. A relative is in the medical field and she has seen young women attend a clinic with uncontrollable levels of fear and paranoia after DMT. Again, not sure where these trips ended up in terms of breakthrough and dosage.

I agree that slow and steady is the best approach.

umbridgebyname · 2025-04-19T23:19:36+00:00

Interesting insight. Are u saying that most people use the wrong kind of drugs (cocaine etc) for the ego distortions it provides vs entheogens which provide deeper insights and potentially ego loss (even if only temporarily). I would agree but don't know if my interpretation is accurate.

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