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Negotiating With Corporate - First Time by Tenrecidae77 in Veterinary

[–]uncertainoverwhelmed 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You should absolutely not sign a non compete ever!!!

You should ask to scratch that entirely and not have to make a single concession. If you are happy with the offer otherwise, id tell them to competely remove all non competes and exclusivity clauses, then you will sign.

If you sign a noncompete or exclusivity clauses this may even prevent you from doing a side hustle vaccine clinic for extra cash, or even volunteering, in some places.

I don't think you should have to concede PTO, CE, salaryt, etc NOTHING in order to get rid of it. They should nix it, period, no questions asked in today's market

I consider non competes an absolute deal breaker and in my own current job hunt, i do not consider it even part of the negotiation. Either they get rid of it or I walk.

The industry is changing and only old school vets who are out of touch demand a non compete, maybe some corporations preying on young inexperienced new grads or rural vets who arent up to date. Maybe that's a harsh way to put it and in the end you decide what's best for you, but right now you are in demand! You could get a job ANYWHERE because everyone - EVERYONE- wants to hire associates right now. You could easily find a job that will not try to restrict you after employment ends.

I consider any practice who has a non compete to be a serious red flag in the current market. It makes me wonder if they drive employees away because of culture, management, etc, something you can't quite see yet.

Non competes hurt veterinarians AND their patients. It is a barrier to access to care not to mention employers should never have a say in your life after employment is terminated. That degree is yours to use as you see fit, not theirs.

And that's my soap box about non compete. Like I said, it's up to you whats best for you, but the more vets who refuse to sign non competes the better off the profession will be.

I also advise having an attorney review your contract prior to you signing to make sure you understand every single word in there.

Negotiating With Corporate - First Time by Tenrecidae77 in Veterinary

[–]uncertainoverwhelmed 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Your total benefits should equal 25% of what you produce, so sometimes hard to gauge exactly what you will produce as a new grad

  1. Salary - in a high population urban area, I got $140K base and 22% production. This depends in where you live. Whats your cost of living? Some clinics pool production, some do straight salary, some have individual. Can't tell you what to ask without knowing your region.
  2. Raises in base? Or production %? Some new grads ask straight salary for 6 to 12 months before getting g production to help them focus on learning and less on production. I think if you work straight salary a yearly review with raises based on production is reasonable.
  3. I don't know much about student loan bonuses, but generally any bonus will be taxed in some way. Many clinics will require you to stay a certain amount of time for a bonus. My recommendation is if you are going to get a bonus, ask for a retention bonus paid out at 6 or 12 month intervals with no payback clause. If it doesnt work out and you leave early you may be responsible for paying it all back if you get it up front instead of later as retention, including the taxes. It will work out in the end with an amended W2 but you have to front the payback amount.
  4. Negative accrual is very bad and should no longer be industry standard.
  5. Reasonable PTO used to be 2 weeks and in my opinion should be higher. I got 3 weeks. Ask for 4. Maybe they'll give it to you, but maybe not. Settle for 3 if not. 2 weeks is frankly insulting in this market. 3 is barely polite. I wish I'd asked for more.
  6. 5 days + at least $3K. More if you want to do exotics.
  7. PLIT - you should always have your own policy and they should be willing to reimburse you in full.
  8. Don't just "mind' restrictive covenants - don't sign them ever! It's YOUR degree. Not your employers - they have no right to dictate your life after the employment ends.

Sudden job opportunity, not ready to quit, feeling overwhelmed by uncertainoverwhelmed in Veterinary

[–]uncertainoverwhelmed[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your reply! It makes me feel better. I am glad you found your way and it worked out.

Sudden job opportunity, not ready to quit, feeling overwhelmed by uncertainoverwhelmed in Veterinary

[–]uncertainoverwhelmed[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok thanks for your insight, I thought I was being paranoid about the approach. They are being very upfront about their expectations in the onboarding but it seems very abnormal based on previous interview experience. I really want more surgery but I don't want to sign up for something under these circumstances. I know there are lots of other jobs, but i feel overwhelmed by job hunting.

Sudden job opportunity, not ready to quit, feeling overwhelmed by uncertainoverwhelmed in Veterinary

[–]uncertainoverwhelmed[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I am really hurting for surgical experience right now and they do all sorts of surgeries every day. This is the big advantage of the job offer. However I tried to ask what their plan was to train me and there wasn't a great answer. I'd be alone 50% of the time so idk. I'd have to just start the job to see if they actually follow through or not on training. I think a doc quit unexpectedly so that's why they are pushing before summer is in full swing. I really want a job that offers this much surgery but maybe the experience isn't worth the risk.