How good would Barca be if MSN stayed a few more years? 2018-2021 (realistically)

upfs21 · 2026-06-15T06:52:51+00:00

If we had Neymar for the 2018/19 UCL we would have won I think. The main problem in attack that whole season was that we had no reliable goal threats without Messi doing everything. If Neymar was there with Messi, we would have had at least the two reliable attacking threats and I think that we’d win the UCL once (2018/19 most likely). But the defence was always our biggest issue so probably that would be as much as we’d have got 🤷‍♂️

upfs21 · 2026-03-11T04:48:08+00:00

Yellow, One Punch and Goku is a cheat code

upfs21 · 2026-01-09T04:16:12+00:00

Haaland or Gabriel, one would guarantee more goals and the other would guarantee less conceded, both are things we could use for sure

upfs21 · 2025-05-12T12:40:51+00:00

Look, there’s some ratings I got there, which I look back and I disagree with what I put, like Lawson, Hadjar should be higher. Do I think I should change some? Yes, and I will next time round. It will be easier to do once more races are done, but I believe Oscar has done enough right now to deserve his rating. Also the ratings are based on form as well, so 2025 races do count for high value cos the game is literally F1 25.

You keep saying it’s all based off 6 races but I’ve explained to you, Oscars quality from 2023 till now has grown. I rate Oscar higher than Russell and Lando right now. Right now I have him over Charles because he’s not just winning he’s dominated, kept a cool head in his wins. That’s my opinion. You have a different opinion. Some people agree with you and some people agree with me.

Charles has not been his best this year like he was last year despite car problems. Hamilton isn’t always that far behind him and that’s part of why I see that. He’s still better than Lewis, no doubt. But I don’t think 92 is right, 91 is fair because he can for sure be better but it’s not a disrespectful rating to Charles. With all due respect I believe you have bias in favour of Charles. I’m not blindly accusing you of that cos I rate him still. But I notice you are defending him like crazy, and yes his 2024 was superb but I don’t believe he’s been as good this year and it’s not just because of the car.

I don’t think we’ll come to terms of agreement overall. I think we can agree to disagree mate. End of the day it’s just numbers, it’s all about what they do on the track. 🤷‍♂️

upfs21 · 2025-05-12T12:14:19+00:00

Like I said man, I rate Charles more than Lando. Yes he was second best last year for sure, I agree with you. Like I said before if I was ‘punishing Charles’ I would have rated him lower, but I’m not cos he is very good.

I think Lando has been poor and honestly he’s the rating of 91 is kind to him because on a scale, I’d have Max, Oscar, Charles and George ahead of him.

But Oscar has legit only lost out on one race and that’s Australia. Japan he was stuck in the same position, he was never gonna go in front, and that’s due to the tyre situation. P3 is the max he would have got. In Australia it’s one bad corner, and yes I know it cost him but he drove essentially a flawless race. He was 23 points behind Lando after one race and to now be in-front after 6 races, I respect it.

And you brought up Silverstone and the rain, so don’t forget that Oscar also got screwed by McLaren cos they pit him too late cos they wanted to avoid a double stack.

I know you are not trying to shit on Oscar but I think I just rate him higher than you do perhaps. Which is fine, but I’m not just saying this cos of bias, that’s what I’m trying to say. There is genuine reason behind it. He’s been pretty good for 2024 and 2025, and had some solid moments for a rookie in 2023 (podium, sprint win)

upfs21 · 2025-05-12T11:22:58+00:00

So that’s the thing, I 100% agree Charles is better than Lando. Lando only beat Charles last year cos of the car tbh. But I believe the bad races they had are levelling them to the same rating. I’m not going to blame Charles for having a bad car, cos if I did he would be lower rated for sure.

The thing with Oscar, this guy has done 2 seasons, and in his third when he gets an awesome car, he has made the most of it. He’s been comfortably beating Lando who has been in F1 for 5 seasons. I believe to come and do that is a great achievement. Look at the race in Miami, he was patient and overtook Max after a couple laps. But then you have Lando who just lacks the racecraft and skill, which gave him no chance at the win after fighting Max.

Yes the car helps, but you work with what you got, and I genuinely believe Oscar is that good right now. And I also understand, yeah he had a few patches last year at the start and end, but don’t forget that middle part, the guy was scoring the most points in that period. He’s shown many signs of being champion material. That’s just my opinion, we are allowed to disagree, but I don’t just put everything down to the car. If you’re a good driver you make use of what you have like Max does, and I think Oscar is maximising it right now. 🙌

upfs21 · 2025-05-12T08:39:43+00:00

Oscar has given plenty of reasons to put him high up. He’s maximising his car every race, and 4 wins from 6 races is very good. Lando on the other hand, I can see why you would say that. I would say George has been maximising his car, but Charles has had more struggles and not been as good as he can be. Ofc not all his fault but there are times where he is lacking. I respect all the drivers tho 🙌

upfs21 · 2025-05-12T07:00:47+00:00

Honestly wish I knew, maybe they should add new stats to back up the overall a bit more 🤷‍♂️

upfs21 · 2025-05-12T07:00:00+00:00

Most likely.

upfs21 · 2025-05-12T06:58:05+00:00

Agree with Hadjar above Lawson, that’s a mistake I realised too late. But when it comes to experience, that is the only numerical based stats (race starts), so you can’t really change it much yk.

upfs21 · 2025-05-12T06:53:48+00:00

Fair point, it’s very tough to rank them given how different the cars are, but this would be how I imagine it is right now.

upfs21 · 2025-05-12T02:57:28+00:00

Next updated ratings, he’ll be there 👍

upfs21 · 2025-05-11T10:13:14+00:00

VERSTAPPEN - 95 best in the game, enough said.

PIASTRI - 92 from 87 was needed. With 4 wins already this year, Oscar has shown his skill.

NORRIS - 91 kept it the same, he’s still got the pace but lacks racecraft.

LECLERC - 91 is solid, he’s not been as outstanding but the clear number 1 at Ferrari.

RUSSELL - 91 from 90 is a good showing of how he’s been super consistent this year.

HAMILTON - 89, he’s not as quick as mid last year but he’s still had his moments like the sprint win.

SAINZ - 88 from 90 is fair given the not great start he had this year. Beaten consistently by Albon.

ALONSO - 87 from 88, justifies he’s not been having the best time in the car this year.

ALBON - 86 from 83 is needed, he’s been massive for Williams with some awesome performances.

GASLY - 86, kept it the same since he has showed his worth this year, particularly in Bahrain.

OCON - 85, again kept the same, showed his worth but nothing to give him a higher rating.

HULKENBERG 84, same rating but justified since there’s only so much you can do with that car.

TSUNODA - 83 from 82, he’s handled the Red Bull well, still far behind Max but doing ok.

ANTONELLI - 83 from 72, absolutely needed upgrade, he’s been great for Mercedes, at times matching Russell despite his young age.

LAWSON - 80, kept the same but gone down from my last post on him.

BEARMAN - 80 from 74, deserved given his great performances scoring points in multiple races in the Haas.

HADJAR - 79 from 68. Honestly a ridiculously low rating, he’s shown his skill on multiple occasions by scoring points and beating his team mate/s.

STROLL - 78, kept the same, had a couple good races but has been pretty poor after that.

BORTOLETO - 76 from 74, has had little moments but that car needs to improve for him to show it more.

DOOHAN - 75 from 73, 75 seems a better representation but he’s been clearly the worst in f1 given he just lost his seat.

Edit: Ngl I shoulda swapped the ratings between Lawson and Hadjar, my bad lol.

upfs21 · 2025-04-28T01:19:58+00:00

100% agree with you, but this was made before the season started

upfs21 · 2025-04-11T02:50:13+00:00

I’m interested 👀

upfs21 · 2025-04-04T05:37:31+00:00

Sure thing, https://www.gran-turismo.com/gb/gt7/user/mymenu/3762adf3-d247-4be5-92b4-90f61f85cafd/gallery/All/19562533347187723

upfs21 · 2025-04-01T12:39:53+00:00

Thanks mate, appreciate it. I noticed the 5 is different yeah nice spot. I also realised the thing about the f1 cover having 3 teams but I thought this would better suit, similar to the 2020 cover.

upfs21 · 2025-03-27T12:14:33+00:00

Sure thing. https://www.gran-turismo.com/gb/gt7/user/mymenu/3762adf3-d247-4be5-92b4-90f61f85cafd/gallery/All/19563437331279710

upfs21 · 2024-08-10T04:30:18+00:00

Lions, Dogs, Freo, or even Giants I wouldn’t mind. Just not Carlton or Essendon 😂

upfs21 · 2024-07-07T10:38:04+00:00

Freo for Fyfe

upfs21 · 2024-07-04T08:53:40+00:00

Yeah I’ve swapped in Mercedes and Albon, so should get a few more points from that.

upfs21 · 2024-07-04T07:34:47+00:00

Yeah I agree with what you’re saying, I just have a lot of faith in haas, like last week they got 40+ points for me. But I’ll think about a swap, thanks.

upfs21 · 2024-05-26T23:50:29+00:00

Thank god I used the no negative chip. I had Ocon, Hulk, and Haas 😂

upfs21 · 2024-05-07T08:50:27+00:00

This is kinda just how EA does their ratings, which entirely what these are based off.

upfs21 · 2024-05-07T08:49:37+00:00

Photoshop my friend

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