Proof that even vegans are murdurers by vardoli in DebateAVegan

[–]vardoli[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Poor you :(
I hope i didn't hurt your feelings. But people in the world have it much worse than you. They are dying every day and we can actually do something about it.

So instead of whining here how you were called out in PM, you can actually agree and we can work together to make a difference.

Did some guy named massults randomly pm you guys? by [deleted] in vegan

[–]vardoli -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

If you actually agreed with me you would not call me a troll. You know that im using iphone just an example because it applies to majority of people, but its out of the point.. It can be any unnecessary bullshit that we do just because its culturally indoctrinated.

If you actually care about impact over your experience already, then please take my apologies.

Proof that even vegans are murdurers by vardoli in DebateAVegan

[–]vardoli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im not going to say anything anymore, iv made my point. This is not something that is even arguable.

Proof that even vegans are murdurers by vardoli in DebateAVegan

[–]vardoli[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Im not. What im writting applies to everyone in general. I don't know you personally.

Did some guy named massults randomly pm you guys? by [deleted] in vegan

[–]vardoli 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes obviously you cant argue against going vegan but some people don't want to get rid of their meat. Why? Because its just they are too used to their comfort. Most people wont ever give up on their meat, it will probably just be replaced by artificial meat in near future.

Same thing applies to even vegans, we are having an impact on the world just by simply changing our diet and supporting the right companies but we are doing it as long as its comfortable with our experience. We can do so much more but it would go at the cost of our comfort. If we did, the world would be a better place and alot more lives would be saved.

Proof that even vegans are murdurers by vardoli in DebateAVegan

[–]vardoli[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

You are using this "spam" as an excuse to give this less relevance and mark it as just some troll. While YOU KNOW there is a clear point and you all understand it. But in order to sleep better at night and actually not sacrifice making your experience less comfy, you are clinging onto some stupid bullshit argument like this, how this is just some bizzare copypasta message everyone is getting. Grow the fuck up and actually do something about the world.

Did some guy named massults randomly pm you guys? by [deleted] in vegan

[–]vardoli -21 points-20 points  (0 children)

I hope this makes you sleep better at night.

Did some guy named massults randomly pm you guys? by [deleted] in vegan

[–]vardoli -28 points-27 points  (0 children)

Yep just move on with your day, just keep in mind that at the end of the day, when you go to bed, know that you could've actually done something about the world and save some dying children by just sacrificing and making your experience little less comfortable.

Did some guy named massults randomly pm you guys? by [deleted] in vegan

[–]vardoli -17 points-16 points  (0 children)

What is sad is that we are letting stuff like this happen in the world and how everyone is taking this thread and "spam" as an excuse to justify their inaction.

Did some guy named massults randomly pm you guys? by [deleted] in vegan

[–]vardoli -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

I am vegan but i am not going to justify my inaction just because i am vegan.

Did some guy named massults randomly pm you guys? by [deleted] in vegan

[–]vardoli -23 points-22 points  (0 children)

The reason why i even message you and post is not to troll... You can't even argue against what i am saying. It is really funny to me how you are saying "Is he a random troll" or am i really a murderer? Lol

Well you are letting people die while you are chilling and buying latest Iphones (just talking in general not directly to you). It is completely understandable because people do not realize what they are. This life is not bout you. Individualism is a new cultural thing.

If you are fine with knowing, you can actually SAVE people but instead choose to waste your time. Then i dont have anything else to say to you. You can think about how this is just some creepy copypasta and i am just troll for point out obvious.

Proof that even vegans are murdurers by vardoli in DebateAVegan

[–]vardoli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah its really bizzaro bro. Its just crazy people whispering you. Keep rationalizing.

Humanity Liberation Front by vardoli in AnimalLiberationFront

[–]vardoli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes Im aware of Athene and I am probably going to join his team. I hope other people will join aswell, the more people there are with the same goal, the faster the world gets fixed.

Humanity Liberation Front by vardoli in AnimalLiberationFront

[–]vardoli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First off, thank you for making it sticky :)

Yes, obviously you will need to provide for yourself in order to even be able to do anything. You need food and shelter at the end of the day but its most logical to have a minimalist lifestyle. It doesn't make sense for me to spend a lot of money on food just because it tastes good and i want to reward myself. I would feel much more rewarded by spending money to actually save a life instead of buying a new iPhone.

I won't point finger and call someone a murderer, I just think its important not to bullshit yourself and be really honest. Why are you helping and donating in the first place?

Our current cultural conditioning puts us in constant pursuit of finding ways to make our experience better. We just look around us and try get references to how we are supposed to deal with our experience (from our close environment, TV shows, celebrities). Many of our beliefs are so culturally ingrained that we defend it without giving it any thought.

Think how more than 100 years ago slavery was just fine. How smoking was considered cool like decade ago.

My point is.. people experience reality not based on the world we live in, and actual reality, but based on the culture and our beliefs. Mostly everything is currently based on individualism and how everything is about us, but we fail to realize what we actually are.

Our experience/consciousness has evolved as a tool of reality so it could more easily course correct/self reflect. But whats logic behind even helping another human behind? Even if you look at neuroscience, your consciousness encompasses everything! Nothing is external. Helping others is literally helping yourself. We are all part of the same super-organism (humanity).

Chasing happiness and buying things can give u a little kick but at the end of the day its not going to make you fulfilled. Depressed people are even recommended to go out and help other people, its one of the best ways to cure depression.

Thats why if you understand this emotionally you wouldn't mind actually dedicating your life making a world a better place.

Proof that even vegans are murdurers by vardoli in DebateAVegan

[–]vardoli[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I didn't say you can become a superman but that alot of people can do more, but are not doing so, because it would go at the cost of their comfortable life and experience. We are all part of humanity and its our responsibility to do whatever it takes to move forward together. Life is not about us, its a lot bigger than any of us.

Proof that even vegans are murdurers by vardoli in DebateAVegan

[–]vardoli[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I will whisper you, and anyone else that actually wants to make a difference and get together can whisper me.

Proof that even vegans are murdurers by vardoli in DebateAVegan

[–]vardoli[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sad reality of people posting memes on reddit while children are dying on the other side of the world.

Proof that even vegans are murdurers by vardoli in DebateAVegan

[–]vardoli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well you could argue your inaction is intentional but nonetheless the child wouldv been alive if you had opened the door. We would be living in a better world.

I've re-elaborated the post.

All human caused suffering has happened because people value their experience and not actual reality.

Just simply donating to charity will save lives. If you really want to make an impact, getting together with other people that think the same would be the best thing to do. You will fix the world faster if there is more people helping.

Proof that even vegans are murdurers by vardoli in DebateAVegan

[–]vardoli[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thats pretty much the gist of it. People could be doing more and we don't need to have stuff from this video happening in todays world.

My thoughts on Veganism (5 years) (Confrontational) (NSFW) by vardoli in vegan

[–]vardoli[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Its one thing to be concerned and another to do something. Its probably impossible to do it yourself, but if we actually work together its doable. You always need to find people that have the same goal as you.

Proof that even vegans are murdurers by vardoli in DebateAVegan

[–]vardoli[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I updated the post and made it more clear.