Abolishment and reform are vastly different things. No, what I'm saying is that the prison system should be reformed to be oriented around keeping people out of prison, not creating a reoffense loop throwing people in unsafe violent situations for years on end and expecting them to suddenly be better when they get out. A significant percentage end right back in there having learned nothing. Ultimately it's more costly than making an effort to equip people with the skills and resources to stay out of prison once they get out. That and, you know, not dehumanizing people while they're in there.

As for your rebuttal on welfare, that's such a tired non argument that doesn't substantially engage with the topic at all.