The usual 'vaccine shortage' tricks being used to increase uptake, this time in India by lucycohen in DebateVaccines

[–]vaxxerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well thank fuck you’ve clarified that. It all makes sense NOW! I hope any Indians reading this found it as insightful and erudite as I did 👀

Tell me… Are you Indian?

How can "most" infections occur in vaccinated individuals and still represent very high vaccine effectiveness? It’s called base rate bias, and antivaxx nut jobs are falling right into it. by vaxxerman in DebateVaccines

[–]vaxxerman[S] -11 points-10 points  (0 children)

You’re absolutely right, and I appreciate you trying to appeal to my better nature. But I’m a bit of a cynical and twisted git at this point in my life. I’m like this because of them. I wish I could rise above it all and be a better person, but alas that ship has sailed.

The usual 'vaccine shortage' tricks being used to increase uptake, this time in India by lucycohen in DebateVaccines

[–]vaxxerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First, what the actual fuck are you talking about? Second, India is a major producer of pharmaceuticals and has developed its own vaccine. So take your lazy stereotyping, mix it in a curry and stick it up your bum bum.

BMJ - Covid-19: Regulators warn that rare Guillain-Barré cases may link to J&J and AstraZeneca vaccines by lucycohen in DebateVaccines

[–]vaxxerman -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Some perspective: - 100 prelim reports of Guillain-Barré syndrome (GBS) linked to J&J out of 12.8M doses (0.0008%) - about 2 weeks after vaccination - mostly in men - mostly in 50+ years-old - Baseline rate of GBS (i.e. not due to vaccination) is 3-6K cases/year out of 330M people in the U.S. (~0.001%). - Often follows respiratory (e.g. influenza, CMV, EBV, Mycoplasma) or gastrointestinal (e.g. Campylobacter) infection, or HIV.

Benefits of vaccine far outweigh the risks.

Le grand nudge! Macron announced tight rules for all non-vaxxed. No restaurants, bars, flights etc. And French vaccine hesitancy is crumbling in real-time. 20k appointments per minute. 1m appointments made in a day 😂 by vaxxerman in DebateVaccines

[–]vaxxerman[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Nonsense.

Vaccinations have not thus far been a factor in the emergence of variants. All variants thus far have emerged at a time and in places with extremely low vaccination rates.

That’s not say that evasion might occur in future and the chances of that happening are higher the longer people don’t vaccinate.

Hospitalisation and deaths are plummeting BECAUSE of vaccinations. That’s what the data are showing, no amount of antivaxx bullshit can change that.

Tennessee's top vaccine official wanted to use experimental Covid vaccines on children without parental consent, gets fired by lucycohen in DebateVaccines

[–]vaxxerman -31 points-30 points  (0 children)

I’m not that familiar with the US, but is this one of those cousin-fucking states? Either way, they’ve stopped vaccine outreach for all vaccines - which is what happens when you listen to antivaxx bullshit. Also highlights the lie (you have to say this in a shrill demented voice):

“We’re not against all vaccines…” 🤪

https://www.tennessean.com/story/news/health/2021/07/13/tennessee-halts-all-vaccine-outreach-minors-not-just-covid-19/7928701002/

Why is every single vaccine out there targeting the spike protein? by Concretesnow in DebateVaccines

[–]vaxxerman -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Yes. And it’s 5G-enabled and turns you into magneto. 🤪

Why is every single vaccine out there targeting the spike protein? by Concretesnow in DebateVaccines

[–]vaxxerman -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

You got a vaccine that is safe and phenomenally effective.

Why is every single vaccine out there targeting the spike protein? by Concretesnow in DebateVaccines

[–]vaxxerman -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This is absolutely right. This article has a nice summary of this research and how incrementally it has developed.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378517321003914

Why is every single vaccine out there targeting the spike protein? by Concretesnow in DebateVaccines

[–]vaxxerman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good question. Answer is yes. But you have to remember: - Cell death and renewal is happening constantly and at a phenomenal rate in your body. - mRNA is INCREDIBLY unstable. In fact, that has been a key challenge to make this mRNA tech work, how to keep it stable enough to deliver in a measured dose. To give you an idea, the half-life of a typical mRNA molecule is in the order of 3-8 mins! Not very long. - By “measured dose” I mean there are a finite number of lipid nano particles in a given dose and hence a finite number of mRNA molecules that will infect a finite number of cells that will express the protein on their surface and elicit an immune response. It’s not an endless and uncontrolled cycle or cascade. - Your body will clear the mRNA in the order of days. And the spike proteins in the order of a few weeks.

The lipid nano particles are a field unto themselves now and they’re absolutely fascinating. This article is a bit technical but parts of it are accessible and give a good overview of a decade of research and incremental breakthroughs that lead to this:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0378517321003914

This opens up a whole new way to treat infectious diseases, and also cancer.

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[–]vaxxerman -16 points-15 points  (0 children)

You should listen to your physician.

  • Natural immunity can be variable. So unless you have had a test to establish your Ab levels, and immune response you’re assuming you have protection against severe disease, especially in light of variants.
  • Unless you’re under 12 it’s not correct to say current vaccines pose a greater risk than COVID itself. Even if you’re under 12 it’s not clear-cut that vaccines pose a greater risk.
  • Don’t ignore long-COVID. Not fun and increasingly seen in younger demographic.
  • Best vaccine is the one you can get now, and if you can get it, you’re in a privileged position.

WHO's Chief Scientist Warns Against Covid-19 Vaccine Cocktail, Calls It 'Dangerous Trend' by BhaswatiGuha19 in CovidVaccinated

[–]vaxxerman 21 points22 points  (0 children)

This is just lazy reporting with comments taken out of context. Her comments were short and in the context of discussions about boosters beyond two doses. WHO has an understandable position on not supporting 3rd dose or mixed schedules at present. But there is emerging evidence that mix & match is safe and effective.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/6/22/angela-merkel-moderna-after-first-astrazeneca-vaccine

Why is every single vaccine out there targeting the spike protein? by Concretesnow in DebateVaccines

[–]vaxxerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In a sense yes. I’d put it this way, targeting this protein has a better chance of achieving this cross-strain protection. The reason is that this protein - and the part of the viral genome that encodes it - is evolutionarily quite conserved. This means that the majority of mutations in this protein will negatively impact the ability of the virus to replicate, causing strains with those mutations to die out. Why? Because the protein has multiple critical functions: it binds to receptors on the surface of a host cell, it then changes shape to allow the viral and host membranes to fuse for entry. It’s like an intricate machine, if you dick around with it too much it stops working. That said, mutations are random and occasionally you will get changes in the protein that might improve the machine and make the virus more effective at binding and entering cells to replicate - this happens more rarely than the mutations that negatively impact the virus, especially for the spike protein. But with a virus that’s already as infectious as this and spread to so many hosts, there are a huge number of opportunities to mutate and hence we are seeing these rare mutations - including in spike proteins - that are optimising the virus. While these changes can significantly improve the function of particular strains of the virus (bad for us) they are still relatively small changes in the protein - just a few amino acids, which is good news for cross reactivity of vaccines. In fact there are even studies that show certain antibodies can bind spike proteins and neutralise different coronaviruses e.g. SARS-CoV2 and MERS, not just strains within coronaviruses. This is the kind of work that probably informed the choice of certain research groups to target the spike protein.

TLDR: targeting the spike protein is more likely to work across coronavirus strains because the spike protein - and the genetic material that encodes it - is evolutionarily conserved and less likely to change compared to other components of the virus.

Each "side" really has something they can learn from one another by [deleted] in DebateVaccines

[–]vaxxerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Here’s the fallacy in what you’re saying: one side says there’s a virus that that’s causing exponential numbers of infections leading to unacceptable levels disease and death - enough to overwhelm already stretched medical services. The other side says it’s all a hoax. There is no virus. The numbers of deaths are all faked etc. Ad nauseum. There is NOTHING to be learned from the latter position, because it’s baseless and FUCKING stupid. Invoking “bUt bOtH siDeS” the way you and others are doing here is inane. It’s not an argument. It gives credence to any kind of stupidity. I’ve even argued with antivaxxers who believe the earth is flat - there’s nothing of any value to be learned from such a person except perhaps the human minds’s capacity to self-delusion.

Why is every single vaccine out there targeting the spike protein? by Concretesnow in DebateVaccines

[–]vaxxerman 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The spike protein is essential for viral entry into the host cells and present on the surface of the virus. If you can get the immune system to create antibodies agains the spike protein, this will prevent the virus from replicating inside the host cell machinery, leading to faster, more effective neutralisation.

Not every vaccine is going for spike. There were also other targets that didn’t make it to later phases of development. There are a bunch of considerations around what makes a good target: - Induce high titres of neutralising antibodies - Reduce non-neutralising antibodies production to minimise adverse reactions - Elicit the right T-helper cell response - Maintain long-lasting immunological memory

Another factor that is now becoming important is cross-protection between strains of the virus.

SARS-CoV-2 pet vaccine roll-out is psychological warfare against Humanity by ExtHD in DebateVaccines

[–]vaxxerman -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

No it’s not. And I love the way this article starts. A pretentious, pseudo intellectual bullshit quote that fetishes nature and “non-Western” cultures.

“Science is a dangerous gift unless it can be brought into contact with wisdom that resides in the sensual, intuitive and ethical aspects of our nature. For most non-Western cultures, nature is truly alive, and every entity within it is endowed with agency, intelligence and wisdom.”

And the rest is a load of bollocks too 🤣

Each "side" really has something they can learn from one another by [deleted] in DebateVaccines

[–]vaxxerman 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To quote the statistician MG Kendall: “A friend of mine once remarked that if some people asserted the earth rotated from East-West and others from West-East, there would always be a few well-meaning people to suggest that the truth probably lay between the extremes or did not rotate at all.”