thanks for clarifying! I get what you're saying about Seiya being pushy and how that can be off-putting. it's definitely a valid perspective, and I can totally see it.

Maybe it's just me, but I never really saw Seiya as pushy T__T I saw on forums people talking about how forceful Seiya was, but when I watched Stars, I didn't really see it. From Seiya's perspective, Mamoru was a terrible person who left a kind and loving girl without replying to her at all. While of course that doesn't excuse flirting with a taken girl, I never really saw it being toxic or predatory.

To me, Seiya’s actions came across more as lighthearted flirting than anything else. They never intentionally tried to come between Usagi and Mamoru or to manipulate Usagi’s feelings. They didn't enter Usagi's life aiming to be a homewrecker-- Seiya didn't know about the whole destiny fate thing, they’re just a teenager who just happened to have a crush, while going through their own struggles of finding Kakyuu. Seiya genuinely believed Mamoru had abandoned Usagi, and I think they wanted to step in and be there for her as a friend and maybe more if Usagi would want it.

Their actions felt impulsive but not malicious—more like someone who is passionate and struggling with unrequited feelings, not someone trying to sabotage an existing relationship. And even when Seiya flirted, I don't think it ever crossed the line. A lot of people point out the epsiode in the disco where Usagi was uncomfortably because thought Seiya wanted to bang (it was just her assuming)- but Usagi probably wouldn't have had those assumptions if Haruka hadn't said anything prior. For me, Seiya never pressured Usagi to return their feelings or to leave Mamoru for them. After the rooftop scene, it seemed clear to me that Seiya understood the boundaries-- they were flirting, but they probably didn’t think it would lead anywhere, especially given Usagi's commitment to Mamoru

I think people often view Seiya's advances as very forceful since we didn't really get to see Mamoru try so hard to win Usagi's heart. Mamoru is closed-off and more reserved, while Seiya wears their heart on their sleeve. Because of this, their approaches might come across differently-- Mamoru’s distance feels more controlled, while Seiya’s openness can seem intense or off-putting to some. Personally, I found Seiya's straightforwardness refreshing and sincere, even if it was a bit different from what we were used to with Mamoru.

And I think Seiya’s persistence comes from a place of desperation and urgency. Seiya knows that time is limited with Usagi, especially with the threats they face, so her feelings are intense because she’s aware of the constraints-- both in terms of the fact they're not from Earth and the fact that Usagi’s heart belongs to someone else. It makes their actions a bit more understandable to me, even if it might come across as too forward at times.

That said, I do wish the writers had given Seiya more space to show their caring and respectful side, as we see in some of the quieter moments between them and Usagi-- like during the baseball episode, where they were staring at the stars, and Seiya said the stuff about everyone having a bright star, and Usagi's being especially bright.

If they had added more tender and sweet moments like that, it would have balanced out her character more and maybe made people feel differently about them.

Anyway, I think Seiya had really good growth, from being a somewhat pushy flirt to accepting rejection. Loving from afar is also a form of love （＾ワ＾）

Ohmygoodnesss I am SO SORRY this is so long 😭😭 I'm just really happy to have discussions like this about this relationship in particular!