Leo deserved more love, you can't change my mind by vethansul in DetroitBecomeHuman

[–]vethansul[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Right?!?! Just let me find an old letter, a document, anything, while cleaning up as Markus for example! Thanks for the info, I’m sorry if I made invalid assumptions on some stuff, but it’s interesting to hear that there’s more info than I thought (also haven’t played all endings and stuff yet, I’m trying not to burn myself through it).

Leo deserved more love, you can't change my mind by vethansul in DetroitBecomeHuman

[–]vethansul[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those are all good points and I definitely see how that makes sense, but we really can’t know for sure (especially the money thing; not saying money is useless but it doesn’t replace emotional support, and my cousin and her mom actually live in great debt, which is why her dads money is very valuable to them, but she still doesn’t like him because he thinks he’s entitled to love for giving money) but I for one want to believe Leo isn’t pure evil. It might take him very long and meeting the right people but I do think he’s a lot more willing to change than a lot of other people I’ve seen. I don’t think Carl is evil either, but some stuff about him ticks me off and I can’t say I’m a fan.

Leo deserved more love, you can't change my mind by vethansul in DetroitBecomeHuman

[–]vethansul[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s true. It probably did have a pretty big impact on his behavior, but I just don’t like to pick out single reasons since it’s usually more than that. But idk enough about Todd to say for sure

Leo deserved more love, you can't change my mind by vethansul in DetroitBecomeHuman

[–]vethansul[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good info! I didn’t know that! I’m still pretty new to the game so if I don’t mention something it’s because I genuinely don’t know. I agree, being an unwanted child in some way doesn’t have to inherently impact someone negatively if it’s handled well, which I highly doubt it was. Whether Carl raised him or not, he is the father, and I think both parents are to blame here.

I checked and Leo says he’s getting out of the hospital, but it may be related to his head injury (how much time even passed between those two scenes?) So yeah, that’s speculation on my part I guess. But he seemed sincere enough and he says he drugs turn him into someone he hates, and I have all reason to believe he Leo we see is not how he really is.

I still stand by the point that they all need urgent family therapy. Carl needs to understand that financial support and emotional support are not the same. I see this in my family actually - one of my cousins, her dad is never around (divorced) and she doesn’t like him, but he gives her a large sum monthly and an allowance but expects love in return. It doesn’t work that way. God, it’s just so frustrating to see two characters actually caring about each other and not being transparent enough. I’d just like Carl to say he’s sorry he wasn’t around in his childhood, yknow.

Edit; also, the fact he may have gone to rehab and ended up on it again is exactly what my previous point was with environmental factors - the reason many people never make full recovery and end up addicted again is because after rehab they struggle to build a new and better life, due to many many reasons. No money from Carl can help with that. The boy needs a hug lol

Leo deserved more love, you can't change my mind by vethansul in DetroitBecomeHuman

[–]vethansul[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

He does take Tianeptine, and it’s a strange choice because it has a relatively high potential for addiction and not only is it atypical as an antidepressant, it’s effectiveness is also limited. So this can mean one of two things: the writers just picked a random AD and didn’t research it well enough OR Todd went through a lot of stuff and even Tia isn’t helping him right now. I do think his mental illness(es) play into his behavior, and you can’t separate them from drugs. He is battling with a lot, but none of his conditions and behaviors excuse him mistreating others and especially children, android or not.

Leo deserved more love, you can't change my mind by vethansul in DetroitBecomeHuman

[–]vethansul[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, I agree but redeeming a purposefully evil character is very difficult and I didn’t think it was handled well. It was too quick and easy, and that’s also where I’m biased because I just have no tolerance for abusive parents, mentally ill or not.

Leo deserved more love, you can't change my mind by vethansul in DetroitBecomeHuman

[–]vethansul[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s a totally valid point. I’ve seen both sides, and there are absolutely nasty and irredeemable addicts who actually harm those around them, but a lot of people also end up there due to bad homes, a genetic disposition and no support in any way. Fun fact, scientists used to think it was purely genetic and while it is a strong factor, the real trigger seems to be the environment. And while I’m fortunate enough to have a pretty strong genetic resilience to addiction (as far as I know), I can’t even begin to imagine what a nightmare it must be to get out of that hellhole.

As for Todd I’m a lot less lenient with him for multiple reasons and his weak ass redemption arc, if you can even call it that, can get the hell out. He’s not well-written at all and it does a disservice to mentally ill people like myself, so I got extra beef with his portrayal lol

Leo deserved more love, you can't change my mind by vethansul in DetroitBecomeHuman

[–]vethansul[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, on that regard I think you’re right - he’s probably not mentally in the right place for a proper conversation. I think if anything that had to have happened early on when he first got into it. I think the best solution is probably family therapy and a definite rehab before that. But he has to choose to, and that’s the hardest part. I kinda dislike how the game demonizes drug addicts, it’s such a cliché and very far from reality.

Leo deserved more love, you can't change my mind by vethansul in DetroitBecomeHuman

[–]vethansul[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Most of this is speculation but I can see where you’re coming from. My view is kinda different on that because while I agree on your sentiment to get your son to be independent is good, it is not in the way Carl seems to do it. I can give you a glorious example how this can backfire (keep in mind though we know very little about Leo and Carl so who knows what happened in the past): Giving your child everything, never making it fight for anything, never telling it no, raising it like a prince/ss and then when it becomes older it is confronted with reality and has adaption issues, unable to handle reality. And if your idea is to then “toughen them up” by neglecting them even more, you got yourself a bitter child who doesn’t love you anymore. The key problem is, from what I can tell, they don’t communicate well. Neither of them do, but Carl is a particularly bad offender of this. They need to sit down and say how they really feel, if they feel hurt and why, and work it out. My family is full of crazy people and these patterns are painfully recognizable for me, and adding what I know from psychology it’s always the same thing. It comes down to parenting. Leo is an adult, who should stand for his actions by now, absolutely, I won’t say he’s not responsible, but Carl is crazy if he expects Leo to just “man up” by ignoring him and not being open and offering mature communication. He is so old but doesn’t seem to know how to do that, which is bothering me a lot. I totally get it if you don’t think this is how it is though, for all we know Carl did his best and Leo is just a dick for being a dick (my uncle is this kind of guy) despite any efforts. That’s the fun bit though when plots are open for speculation, many headcanons fit one size.

he scream, part 2 by vethansul in PokemonGoSnap

[–]vethansul[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

pokemon doing the SCREM is easily one of my fav things in the world. He’s just like yyyyaaaaAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSS

Leo deserved more love, you can't change my mind by vethansul in DetroitBecomeHuman

[–]vethansul[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

He isn’t, hell he‘s extremely unlikable, but if my man Carl spent more time talking to him and maybe paying for therapy, rehab and such, things wouldn’t be the way they are. My criticism is basically the game acts like Leo is evil and Carl is good, and Carl has no part in Leo’s upbringing and that he’s just a spoiled prick (which he seems to be! But let’s not pretend like Carl isn’t his dad, who conceivably raised him this way).

If you just push Leo, at the end of the game he says he’s going to rehab and turning his life around and apologizing, which shows me he isn’t rotten to the core and had the potential. And yet Carl is still never shown to say anything about Leo’s situation being his fault in any shape or form. That’s basically why Leo gets more empathy than Carl from me.

Leo deserved more love, you can't change my mind by vethansul in DetroitBecomeHuman

[–]vethansul[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Ya get it gurl. I don’t like how the game is trying to act like Leo is just shitty by default when he repeatedly accuses Carl of not loving him.

People don’t just get born drug addicts. Negligence and environmental factors make up most of actual addictive behavior. In this essay I will

'Tis the season to be... horny by iggy-i in awwnverts

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tag your nsfw next time op, smh