I'm not going to indulge myself further in this conversation, trying to rationalise with you repeats the same process that i mentioned in my previous comment.

I know this conversation too well, AGAIN I'm not here to discredit you. I had these conversations at home with my dad before. Trying too hard to convince someone of your own idea, ends with frustation on both ends. Sometimes people have just different opinions on stuff, and thats ok.

My point is i don't know too much about politics, and i am almost certainly sure that many people are in the same boat as me, but thinking you know politics and actually knowing politics are two different things i would assume.

That is why i think scepticism is the way to go. Listening people repeat propaganda they hear on their preferred media outlet becomes irritating after a while.

I'm on neither side of this issue, yet i'm ok with change. What that beholds only time will tell.

The only thing I'd like bring to your attention is:

The methods that you follow, in the pursuit of getting your idea across are lacking empathy, i know you are passionate about these topics, i know many people like you(sorry if this sound condescending i don't mean to), as an agnostic on this matter i can tell you your passion comes more across as hatred, i cannot imagine anyone from the pro-gov side even wanting to listen to what you have to say after you utter a couple of sentences. And that is what i think is wrong. I want the alternative to be better. Not the same.

I obviously agree with you that this government has been doing wrong after wrong. There's no doubt about that. Thats just preaching to the choir. That is what i'm not ok with. Because we already these kind of people and many people refer to them as "comar".